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      dave_c @JaredBusch
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      @JaredBusch
      Awesome, platform migration and 900+ extensions in that time!
      My record is 500+ extensions from Asterisx to Yeastar

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        JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @scottalanmiller
        How do you catalog this?

        This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
        HTTP ERROR 500
        

        It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

        That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

        But I like to blame Windows....

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          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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          @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

          @scottalanmiller
          How do you catalog this?

          This page isn’t working xxxx.com is currently unable to handle this request.
          HTTP ERROR 500
          

          It is caused by Ultimate Addons for Visual Composer plugin

          That's a PLUGIN issue caused by something that is absolutely not Wordpress. That's like having a bad app and blaming Windows.

          But I like to blame Windows....

          Me too.

          Shakes fist at the window.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @dave_c
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            @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @JaredBusch
            Awesome, platform migration and 900+ extensions in that time!
            My record is 500+ extensions from Asterisx to Yeastar

            Oh this will be March before I am done most likely. I just got serious today.

            Yesterday was putting tools in places and comparing data.

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            • CloudKnightC
              CloudKnight
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              I'm not going to slag off Wordpress, I think it's good, you just need to make sure that you limit logins and keep it up to date. I use it myself and love what you can do with the platform.

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                tonyshowoff @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller In my experience those who want cPanel, not those forced to install it by some jackass admin or something, tend to because they lack confidence and experience with configuration and management within the Unix world.

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                  scottalanmiller @CloudKnight
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                  @StuartJordan said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  I'm not going to slag off Wordpress, I think it's good, you just need to make sure that you limit logins and keep it up to date. I use it myself and love what you can do with the platform.

                  And not add bad things on top of it. A bad theme or plugin is part of the code and going to break things.

                  We very carefully only use a few, tested, trusted, maintained plugins. Gotta keep it lean.

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                    scottalanmiller @tonyshowoff
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                    @tonyshowoff said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller In my experience those who want cPanel, not those forced to install it by some jackass admin or something, tend to because they lack confidence and experience with configuration and management within the Unix world.

                    Exactly the people who shouldn't be managing servers 😉

                    cPanel... letting you do things you don't know how to do so you can up the ante for when the disaster finally strikes.

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                    • CloudKnightC
                      CloudKnight @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller Completely Agree! 🙂

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                        dave_c @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller
                        You are technically right.
                        Point 3 tries to imply that WordPress is an ecosystem. One in which even quality plugins have problems. In this case, the plugin is well developed, known and used. Still crashed the site on an update

                        To be fair, I do not know the details of the crash . I just investigated and found that disabling the plugin solves the problem. But it seems like the plugin is necessary to continue the design of the site. Again, Catch 22

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                          scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                          @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller
                          You are technically right.
                          Point 3 tries to imply that WordPress is an ecosystem. One in which even quality plugins have problems. In this case, the plugin is well developed, known and used. Still crashed the site on an update

                          Well, only so good. You can say it is an awesome plugin, but it isn't that awesome. That's it's good, sure, I'll buy that. But under no condition can you blame the platform for a bad choice, decision, or problem from the ecosystem. No amount of software written to run on Windows being bad is a reflection on Windows. Yes, it can be seen as "part of the ecosystem", but that's not a reflection on the platform.

                          Bottom line, WordPress is stable and loads of the ecosystem is stable. It sounds like what you want is the "Apple Store" effect where the primary vendor blocks any software that they don't test and only sell you things that they want you to have.

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                            scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                            @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            To be fair, I do not know the details of the crash . I just investigated and found that disabling the plugin solves the problem. But it seems like the plugin is necessary to continue the design of the site. Again, Catch 22

                            Sure, but the Catch-22 is caused by something other than WordPress. Whoever is in charge of this site is responsible for creating (or allowing the creation) of the dependency; not Wordpress. This is not a problem that the rest of us are having, it's not a common one. We don't have a dependency on that plugin (I've never seen it in fact), and the plugin dependencies are a top decision factor in any design decision.

                            There is an issue here, yes. But that issue, the problem you are having, is in house on your end (and to some degree, with the plugin maker perhaps.) The issue isn't WordPress itself or even the ecosystem. It might be the designer, but someone had to hire that designer and approve their decisions. This is an IT task so whether IT itself or a shadow IT department, someone in IT over there is making calls that resulting in the issue that a bad plugin is now seen as a dependency.

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                              dave_c @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller
                              Again, you are correct. I still don't like things WordPress does. Like storing URLs in the database. After using Craft CMS or ProcessWire WordPress does not make much sense

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                                scottalanmiller @dave_c
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                                @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @scottalanmiller
                                Again, you are correct. I still don't like things WordPress does. Like storing URLs in the database. After using Craft CMS or ProcessWire WordPress does not make much sense

                                Where would you want them to be stored?

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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @StuartJordan said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  I'm not going to slag off Wordpress, I think it's good, you just need to make sure that you limit logins and keep it up to date. I use it myself and love what you can do with the platform.

                                  And not add bad things on top of it. A bad theme or plugin is part of the code and going to break things.

                                  We very carefully only use a few, tested, trusted, maintained plugins. Gotta keep it lean.

                                  https://i.imgflip.com/2r8ewa.jpg

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                                  • CloudKnightC
                                    CloudKnight @JaredBusch
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                                    @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @StuartJordan said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    I'm not going to slag off Wordpress, I think it's good, you just need to make sure that you limit logins and keep it up to date. I use it myself and love what you can do with the platform.

                                    And not add bad things on top of it. A bad theme or plugin is part of the code and going to break things.

                                    We very carefully only use a few, tested, trusted, maintained plugins. Gotta keep it lean.

                                    https://i.imgflip.com/2r8ewa.jpg

                                    That top of his is defiantly looking outdated lol..

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
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                                      Someone put in a ticket for service, and when we called he said "I don't want any service" and hung up.

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                                        tonyshowoff @dave_c
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                                        @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller
                                        Again, you are correct. I still don't like things WordPress does. Like storing URLs in the database. After using Craft CMS or ProcessWire WordPress does not make much sense

                                        WordPress is far more database intensive than I like, there are cache plugins for that kind of thing though. There is a balance between being extendable and being ridiculous, they're getting better about just being extendable. Regardless, if you ever watch the queries on a typical front page load, it queries the same things over and over and over. Even without memcached/redis/whatever there are ways to deal with this, but again, if I try to empathise with them, maybe it's not an easy problem to solve without potentially breaking their plugin system in some way, at least for now.

                                        I also don't like how they keep edit history, drafts, and published items in the same table making it grow massively.

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                                          Reid Cooper
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                                          URLs have to be stored somewhere, presumably. Whether in a relational database or a flat file database edited manually, results are more or less the same. But in a traditional, robust database there is more centralization of configuration and data so it is easier to backup and restore, manage, and so forth.

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                                            Obsolesce @tonyshowoff
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                                            @tonyshowoff said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @dave_c said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @StrongBad
                                            Incomplete list in no special order

                                            Wordpress:

                                            1. If you update WordPress you risk breaking the site.
                                            2. If you don't, you risk being hacked.
                                            3. It is too big that the ecosystem is out of control.

                                            Web developers with no idea:
                                            4. They demand cPanel access. And the clients authorize that access (out of my pay grade)
                                            5. The mess with DNS, really, why?
                                            6. They choose poor plugins

                                            About points 1 &2: Theory says WordPress is secure but plugins maybe not. So the problem is not WordPress and the solution is to choose good plugins. WordPress is so easy to use that point 3 is on spot. And then I fall on point 6 because everybody can be a WordPress developer/web master. Talk about Catch 22

                                            Right now, I have a production web site down because the web developer insists on using a plugin that breaks the site. I already disabled the plugin twice.

                                            Perhaps I am in the wrong industry, it is just that fell in love IT at first sight

                                            I have never broken WP with updates.

                                            Same here, they seem to be really good. Way, way better than, say, Windows. They "just work". I've been using WordPress for a really long time and support a lot of sites.

                                            I hate WordPress but I've always praised both their reverse compatibility and their slow crawl toward proper design showing they at least, I think, have some understanding of how bad it is.

                                            I only use plugins that are kept up-to-date. I only update WP once all plugins support the latest version. Any plugins that do not update in a reasonable amount of time after a WP update, I find a replacement plugin.

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