Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On
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@scottalanmiller said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@Obsolesce said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@scottalanmiller said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@DustinB3403 said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
If Cockpit had functionality "export a backup to <insert remote>" right there I wouldn't be as I have been. Because, you need something additional.
Who else has that command?
Hyper-V Server does have WSB semi built in, it's an additional feature you need to enable. After that it's simple commands or remotely via the GUI.
But why export backup? Backups should already be off the host...
Well, the exporting is what turns a snapshot into a backup, in a sense.
Oh is that what he meant.
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@JaredBusch said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@dbeato said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
And you didn't give XCP-ng a chance?
Are you asking me? Of course not. It didn't exist 6 years ago.
No, I was asking to the OP, XenServer was prior to that but we all know how we felt as soon as 7.1 changes came.
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@JaredBusch said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@dbeato said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
And you didn't give XCP-ng a chance?
Are you asking me? Of course not. It didn't exist 6 years ago.
But you still haven't and continue to piss and moan about XS/XCP-ng and XO as "being my toy". Yet you refuse to try them, at least publicly. (which I haven't made either, besides working to make XO more accessible).
I'd really be interested in a review of XCP-ng and XO from @JaredBusch
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I'm now using XCP-NG, have no issues with whoever uses what for their hypervisor.. this is a more viable solution then KVM in my eyes.
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@StuartJordan said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
I'm now using XCP-NG, have no issues with whoever uses what for their hypervisor.. this is a more viable solution then KVM in my eyes.
To be the devil's advocate. Why is XCP-ng a more viable solution to you over KVM?
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@DustinB3403 - Quick Install with no fuss, snapshot and snapshot schedules, backup with Xen Orchestra.. just nice and easy to use with no fuss just like a hypervisor should be.
I've used KVM with Virt Manager and remember it had issues sometimes connecting with Spice or Vnc...just didn't seem quite as polished in my eyes...
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@StuartJordan so just a general lack of polish on the platform as a whole.
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@StuartJordan said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@DustinB3403 - Quick Install with no fuss, snapshot and snapshot schedules, backup with Xen Orchestra.. just nice and easy to use with no fuss just like a hypervisor should be.
I've used KVM with Virt Manager and remember it had issues sometimes connecting with Spice or Vnc...just didn't seem quite as polished in my eyes...
Would you still use it without Xen Orchestra?
I asked because I feel Xen Orchestra has a big part in making an individual to use XenServer/XCP-ng. -
@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Would you still use it without Xen Orchestra?
I asked because I feel Xen Orchestra has a big part in making an individual to use XenServer/XCP-ng.I would definitely not use XCP-ng without XO. I would probably use Hyper-V and Veeam otherwise.
I want to try KVM, but I don't have time to figure out the backup stuff right now. Maybe it's time I switch my home lab over to KVM.
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@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@StuartJordan said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@DustinB3403 - Quick Install with no fuss, snapshot and snapshot schedules, backup with Xen Orchestra.. just nice and easy to use with no fuss just like a hypervisor should be.
I've used KVM with Virt Manager and remember it had issues sometimes connecting with Spice or Vnc...just didn't seem quite as polished in my eyes...
Would you still use it without Xen Orchestra?
I asked because I feel Xen Orchestra has a big part in making an individual to use XenServer/XCP-ng.I think a lot of people wouldn't use it, if XO didn't exist or didn't have an open source option to go along with it.
Edit: And I say this because, and only because you then have to mix in something else, like Veeam to create your backups. It's not unheard of, just more complex.
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Granted using XO is adding something into the mix, but XAPI is in addition to the xen hypervisor. So there is already a lot of things that are mixed in that you've accepted.
At least with XO, you get a management interface, backups and recovery, monitoring and notifications all in one.
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Which of course, simplifies the amount of decisions you are forced to make.
What do I need to do to backup? XO
How do I manage my hypervisor and VM? XO
How do I update the hypervisor? XOMultiple answers in a single platform. Which of course doesn't limit you from using other options. But its the logical and direct one that should be made.
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Yep don't see any issue with using XO..it has a clean interface.
even installing XO after XCP-NG is quicker than setting up Hyper-V outside of a domain. -
@bnrstnr said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Would you still use it without Xen Orchestra?
I asked because I feel Xen Orchestra has a big part in making an individual to use XenServer/XCP-ng.I would definitely not use XCP-ng without XO. I would probably use Hyper-V and Veeam otherwise.
I want to try KVM, but I don't have time to figure out the backup stuff right now. Maybe it's time I switch my home lab over to KVM.
Before all the changes with XenServer, I had no problem using XenServer with XenCenter for what I needed. I actually like how quick I got use to using it and the cli compare to my first experience with Hyper-V and KVM.
Backups are always hot-topic with hypervisors. I don't really have issue using Agentless or agent-based backups.
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@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@bnrstnr said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Would you still use it without Xen Orchestra?
I asked because I feel Xen Orchestra has a big part in making an individual to use XenServer/XCP-ng.I would definitely not use XCP-ng without XO. I would probably use Hyper-V and Veeam otherwise.
I want to try KVM, but I don't have time to figure out the backup stuff right now. Maybe it's time I switch my home lab over to KVM.
Before all the changes with XenServer, I had no problem using XenServer with XenCenter for what I needed. I actually like how quick I got use to using it and the cli compare to my first experience with Hyper-V and KVM.
Backups are always hot-topic with hypervisors. I don't really have issue using Agentless or agent-based backups.
I was in the same exact boat. I was using Unitrends agent-based backups with XenServer, and XenCenter for management. It worked pretty well. I thought this setup was better (for me) than Hyper-V at the time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
much wide spread confusion exists around Hyper-V and to a lesser extent, ESXi products - primarily caused by their licensing. This aspect of them, which is their most complex piece, is the piece that nearly everyone completely overlooks when discussing comparative complexity.
Bingo!
Yes. KVM have matured alot especially when it comes to ease of install and OS bundling. and best of all does not tie or link with any additional crap.
But folks that can live without additional crap cause they are taught that you cant do Hypervisor without it this and this and that. For small and medium you only care about flexibility and licensing, and for backups simply backup the data within the VMs, you are not large enough to purchase all the storage for VM level BU
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@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@bnrstnr said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@black3dynamite said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Would you still use it without Xen Orchestra?
I asked because I feel Xen Orchestra has a big part in making an individual to use XenServer/XCP-ng.I would definitely not use XCP-ng without XO. I would probably use Hyper-V and Veeam otherwise.
I want to try KVM, but I don't have time to figure out the backup stuff right now. Maybe it's time I switch my home lab over to KVM.
Before all the changes with XenServer, I had no problem using XenServer with XenCenter for what I needed. I actually like how quick I got use to using it and the cli compare to my first experience with Hyper-V and KVM.
Backups are always hot-topic with hypervisors. I don't really have issue using Agentless or agent-based backups.
Yes, either are fine. But the religious fervor to only consider one makes no sense, but logically has arisen from vendors promoting that in the same way that FreeNAS promoted ZFS, because it's an easy way to make one little trivial sounding false requirement create a cascade of requirements later.
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@StuartJordan said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Yep don't see any issue with using XO..it has a clean interface.
even installing XO after XCP-NG is quicker than setting up Hyper-V outside of a domain.Agreed. Not quite as easy as a basic KVM install IMHO, but easier than a more complex KVM install. And both are way easier than Hyper-V or VMware ESXi once you have to figure out licensing.
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@StuartJordan said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Yep don't see any issue with using XO..it has a clean interface.
even installing XO after XCP-NG is quicker than setting up Hyper-V outside of a domain.Lack of Linux support, and purely community-driven project.
Well but Linux is a community-driven project.. oh shut the fkup conflicting internal voice.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
@StuartJordan said in Why I Feel KVM Is the Easiest HyperVisor to Learn the Basics On:
Yep don't see any issue with using XO..it has a clean interface.
even installing XO after XCP-NG is quicker than setting up Hyper-V outside of a domain.Agreed. Not quite as easy as a basic KVM install IMHO, but easier than a more complex KVM install. And both are way easier than Hyper-V or VMware ESXi once you have to figure out licensing.
By Basic KVM install, @scottalanmiller means literally just installing Fedora with the Virtualization Server role checkbox enabled and nothing beyond that at all. Maybe Cockpit option as well.
But take nothing else as being included with a "basic KVM install".
