Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10
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@scotth said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@scotth said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Ok but why is there authentication on printing? Is there a problem with someone printing when they should not be? Just looking for details as I've never done this before.
I had to enable this years ago. Printing was out of control. User accountability was cited. We used AD and tied the printers into the login. Each user had individual printers mapped. I realize that this is nowhere near efficient, but it was pushed this way by the powers that be. No biggie once it was done. We don't have huge numbers of new users or user changes that it's a pain.
Seems odd that you would control it via a password on the printer tab. Can't you just control it from the print queue on the server? or is the printer doing LDAP/AD auth and the users are printing direct?
We have AD tie-in for each printer capable of doing it. Most of what we have supports it. The users pull in once we let it cook.
So you have to manually set something in the print driver to get the creds to pass to the printer to then be auth'ed by AD? Sucks that the driver does just pass along the current logged in Windows user.
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@Dashrender said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@scotth said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@scotth said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Ok but why is there authentication on printing? Is there a problem with someone printing when they should not be? Just looking for details as I've never done this before.
I had to enable this years ago. Printing was out of control. User accountability was cited. We used AD and tied the printers into the login. Each user had individual printers mapped. I realize that this is nowhere near efficient, but it was pushed this way by the powers that be. No biggie once it was done. We don't have huge numbers of new users or user changes that it's a pain.
Seems odd that you would control it via a password on the printer tab. Can't you just control it from the print queue on the server? or is the printer doing LDAP/AD auth and the users are printing direct?
We have AD tie-in for each printer capable of doing it. Most of what we have supports it. The users pull in once we let it cook.
So you have to manually set something in the print driver to get the creds to pass to the printer to then be auth'ed by AD? Sucks that the driver does just pass along the current logged in Windows user.
Yes. C`est la vie
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@DustinB3403 Ok cool I get that, thanks
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@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
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@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
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@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Boy, I would hope it's not like that. I would expect paper to simply be part of their computer/IT budget for that department. If they overuse in paper, then they might have to wait before getting an upgraded computer, etc.
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@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
We are to small to worry about departments like that - or perhaps better to say - we are a size and management doesn't care about splitting it out like that.
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@Dashrender said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Boy, I would hope it's not like that. I would expect paper to simply be part of their computer/IT budget for that department. If they overuse in paper, then they might have to wait before getting an upgraded computer, etc.
Office Supplies, not IT.
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@DustinB3403 That's the way it is here. Has been for many years i guess. No one has ever run out as long as I've been here.
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@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Romo Why is it setup like that?
Don't really know, from my interaction with the owner I guess that is how she wanted it setup =). She was the one that could explain what was happening, so I could fix the issue quite fast after I spoke with her.
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@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
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@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
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@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
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@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
Yes really, how does a printer know the difference between CMYK and a page which is black and white.
It's an honest question as I don't know how a Pin to "print in color" would affect this the way you described it.
Also to whoever downvoted, not sure why.
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@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
Yes really, how does a printer know the difference between CMYK and a page which is black and white.
It's an honest question as I don't know how a Pin to "print in color" would affect this the way you described it.
Also to whoever downvoted, not sure why.
Okay, there are different types of print black and white, gray scale and color which uses CMYK , usually on MFP devices they have different toners for esch of those colors plus black. When a job is sent to the printer with the color setting on the driver it then uses those toners while black and white only requests the black toner
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@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
Yes really, how does a printer know the difference between CMYK and a page which is black and white.
It's an honest question as I don't know how a Pin to "print in color" would affect this the way you described it.
Also to whoever downvoted, not sure why.
Okay, there are different types of print black and white, gray scale and color which uses CMYK , usually on MFP devices they have different toners for esch of those colors plus black. When a job is sent to the printer with the color setting on the driver it then uses those toners while black and white only requests the black toner
None of the explains what I've asked. How does entering a pin, allow someone to print in color? I've always seen Pin or No Pin for all printing.
Nothing I've ever used has offered "pin for color prints only" etc.
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@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
Yes really, how does a printer know the difference between CMYK and a page which is black and white.
It's an honest question as I don't know how a Pin to "print in color" would affect this the way you described it.
Also to whoever downvoted, not sure why.
Okay, there are different types of print black and white, gray scale and color which uses CMYK , usually on MFP devices they have different toners for esch of those colors plus black. When a job is sent to the printer with the color setting on the driver it then uses those toners while black and white only requests the black toner
None of the explains what I've asked. How does entering a pin, allow someone to print in color? I've always seen Pin or No Pin for all printing.
Nothing I've ever used has offered "pin for color prints only" etc.
At my last job, we had to set up 2 Pins... One for Black & White, and the other for Color.... The Pins were department-level codes so that we could properly track which departments were (ab)using their color printers and such.
Edit: We didn't leave that in place very long due to user complaints.
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@dafyre said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
Yes really, how does a printer know the difference between CMYK and a page which is black and white.
It's an honest question as I don't know how a Pin to "print in color" would affect this the way you described it.
Also to whoever downvoted, not sure why.
Okay, there are different types of print black and white, gray scale and color which uses CMYK , usually on MFP devices they have different toners for esch of those colors plus black. When a job is sent to the printer with the color setting on the driver it then uses those toners while black and white only requests the black toner
None of the explains what I've asked. How does entering a pin, allow someone to print in color? I've always seen Pin or No Pin for all printing.
Nothing I've ever used has offered "pin for color prints only" etc.
At my last job, we had to set up 2 Pins... One for Black & White, and the other for Color.... The Pins were department-level codes so that we could properly track which departments were (ab)using their color printers and such.
Edit: We didn't leave that in place very long due to user complaints.
I've done that, but for the purposes of seeing "who is being an abuser". But pins to "allow a CMYK page or deck" has never come through.
It's (at least in my experience) always been "print whatever you want, but you/your department is going to have the cost "billed" to it"
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@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dafyre said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@dbeato said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@DustinB3403 said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@jmoore said in Konica Minolta BizHub C3850 No Printing on Windows 10:
@Dashrender Got it. Our departments have their own budget so if they want to print color they can but they figured out fast to be responsible for their own paper.
That seems like a bad approach, since any given department could be forced to stop work "because they overran their paper budget".
Usually, they use the code and pin to know where they are using color but otherwise default is to allow b&w to print without a code.
How does the printer know the difference? Black is a color. .
Really?
Yes really, how does a printer know the difference between CMYK and a page which is black and white.
It's an honest question as I don't know how a Pin to "print in color" would affect this the way you described it.
Also to whoever downvoted, not sure why.
Okay, there are different types of print black and white, gray scale and color which uses CMYK , usually on MFP devices they have different toners for esch of those colors plus black. When a job is sent to the printer with the color setting on the driver it then uses those toners while black and white only requests the black toner
None of the explains what I've asked. How does entering a pin, allow someone to print in color? I've always seen Pin or No Pin for all printing.
Nothing I've ever used has offered "pin for color prints only" etc.
At my last job, we had to set up 2 Pins... One for Black & White, and the other for Color.... The Pins were department-level codes so that we could properly track which departments were (ab)using their color printers and such.
Edit: We didn't leave that in place very long due to user complaints.
I've done that, but for the purposes of seeing "who is being an abuser". But pins to "allow a CMYK page or deck" has never come through.
It's (at least in my experience) always been "print whatever you want, but you/your department is going to have the cost "billed" to it"
IIRC, This is what we reverted back to, lol.
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And only for the purposes of figuring out what departments are being printer abusers.
We even rolled out a mandated email signature for internal and external emails along the lines of "Think before you print"
