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Looks like the EU is moving to restrict free speech on the internet: https://edri.org/eu-member-states-agree-on-monitoring-filtering-of-internet-uploads/ and http://copybuzz.com/copyright/france-spain-italy-and-portugal-go-beyond-maximalist-on/.
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@kelly When I get some time I planned on making a whole thread on this in several forums. From what I've read and heard these rules are bat-shit insane.
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@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Looks like the EU is moving to restrict free speech on the internet: https://edri.org/eu-member-states-agree-on-monitoring-filtering-of-internet-uploads/ and http://copybuzz.com/copyright/france-spain-italy-and-portugal-go-beyond-maximalist-on/.
WTLF, first gdpr and now a bill to limit what people say and references to a source?
And I thought the USA was an internet backwater...
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@kelly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Looks like the EU is moving to restrict free speech on the internet: https://edri.org/eu-member-states-agree-on-monitoring-filtering-of-internet-uploads/ and http://copybuzz.com/copyright/france-spain-italy-and-portugal-go-beyond-maximalist-on/.
WTLF, first gdpr and now a bill to limit what people say and references to a source?
And I thought the USA was an internet backwater...
You have absolutely no idea how backwards the EU is right now, as far as I read. Sure, I have a bit of bias, but at this point I feel like they've crossed over lines that anyone should be worried about.
But, that manages to get a bit political, and is a whole different discussion.
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@fiyafly I'm starting to think that all of these new laws are a means of protecting the political leadership there from having their dirty laundry being aired out.
What other reasons, regardless of the geuss of "protecting EU citizen privacy" could there be?
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly I'm starting to think that all of these new laws are a means of protecting the political leadership there from having their dirty laundry being aired out.
What other reasons, regardless of the geuss of "protecting EU citizen privacy" could there be?
Authoritarianism? Totalitarianism? Which kind of go with your theory.
People may think I'm stretching it a bit or going a bit conspiracy theorist, but here's an example. A man in the UK went from arrest, to sentencing, to prison in a matter of three hours for 'contempt of court' and 'breaching the peace' for reporting on a case that had a gag order on it. His lawyer wasn't contacted, he was given one. His family didn't know he was in prison until they got home from work. He was given a 13 month sentence.There is a lot more detail to that, and a lot of people chalk it up to 'he was spreading hate speech so he deserved it', but I didn't put the name in that paragraph so that there'd be a bit more neutral of a reading. The man was Tommy Robinson, but how many times, ever, have you heard of the courts moving that quickly? Ever?
EDIT: Also, the judge originally put a gag order on the fact that he sentenced Robinson. The case Tommy Robinson was reporting on was a grooming gang case.
EDIT 2: I MEAN COME ON THE MAYOR OF LONDON WANTS TO ENFORCE ROUNDING THE TIPS OF KITCHEN KNIVES TO CURB KNIFE CRIME!
...Sorry... It's just starting to get to me.
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I could go on and on about this, but even if it may be applicable on ML, it probably isnt on this thread lol. There are some dire things happening in the world today, but people just want to ignore it. Everything has become political, and facts have become hate speech. I am longing to have a discussion on a lot of this stuff, but since it has all been turned political and people hate discussing politics, well, not many people to discuss with.
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@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
EDIT 2: I MEAN COME ON THE MAYOR OF LONDON WANTS TO ENFORCE ROUNDING THE TIPS OF KITCHEN KNIVES TO CURB KNIFE CRIME!
Anyone with sandpaper or a grinding wheel could change this. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
EDIT 2: I MEAN COME ON THE MAYOR OF LONDON WANTS TO ENFORCE ROUNDING THE TIPS OF KITCHEN KNIVES TO CURB KNIFE CRIME!
Anyone with sandpaper or a grinding wheel could change this. . .
Yes. Yes they could. But, it's being legitimately proposed. A judge backed him up on it:
“Why we do need 8' or 10' kitchen knives with points? Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an 8' or 10' knife?”The Mayor of London tweeted this: No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law.
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fijr.com%2F2018%2F05%2F1098744-londons-mayor-proposed-knife-control-now-a-uk-judge-is-making-an-even-sillier-proposal%2F -
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
EDIT 2: I MEAN COME ON THE MAYOR OF LONDON WANTS TO ENFORCE ROUNDING THE TIPS OF KITCHEN KNIVES TO CURB KNIFE CRIME!
Anyone with sandpaper or a grinding wheel could change this. . .
Yes. Yes they could. But, it's being legitimately proposed. A judge backed him up on it:
“Why we do need 8' or 10' kitchen knives with points? Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an 8' or 10' knife?”In that case why do you have cars that are allowed to be driven by a human? Cars are way more lethal a weapon than a person with a knife, regardless of the length of blade.
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@fiyafly Yeah if he is your mayor, you guys are done for. He is as bad as Ajit Pai. .
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
EDIT 2: I MEAN COME ON THE MAYOR OF LONDON WANTS TO ENFORCE ROUNDING THE TIPS OF KITCHEN KNIVES TO CURB KNIFE CRIME!
Anyone with sandpaper or a grinding wheel could change this. . .
Yes. Yes they could. But, it's being legitimately proposed. A judge backed him up on it:
“Why we do need 8' or 10' kitchen knives with points? Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an 8' or 10' knife?”In that case why do you have cars that are allowed to be driven by a human? Cars are way more lethal a weapon than a person with a knife, regardless of the length of blade.
LOL that exact debate spawned the "Truck of Peace" meme, but that could be considered hate speech so I digress.
@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly Yeah if he is your mayor, you guys are done for. He is as bad as Ajit Pai. .
LUCKILY I'm American. I did just reach out to Huw, though, to see how he's feeling about it all.
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@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@dustinb3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
EDIT 2: I MEAN COME ON THE MAYOR OF LONDON WANTS TO ENFORCE ROUNDING THE TIPS OF KITCHEN KNIVES TO CURB KNIFE CRIME!
Anyone with sandpaper or a grinding wheel could change this. . .
Yes. Yes they could. But, it's being legitimately proposed. A judge backed him up on it:
“Why we do need 8' or 10' kitchen knives with points? Butchers and fishmongers do, but how often, if at all, does a domestic chef use the point of an 8' or 10' knife?”In that case why do you have cars that are allowed to be driven by a human? Cars are way more lethal a weapon than a person with a knife, regardless of the length of blade.
They shouldn't be, hopefully we'll have that fixed and soon. Humans driving cars is going to be a clearly reckless endeavor soon.
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@scottalanmiller The overarching point is more of "do you think rounding off kitchen knives will curb violent crime?"
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@fiyafly I know it won't and violence is a natural part of the world, just because the motif isn't "because I need to eat" doesn't mean that violence isn't natural.
Look at chimps, they are constantly fighting as a show of power and leadership.
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@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller The overarching point is more of "do you think rounding off kitchen knives will curb violent crime?"
If the issue is spur of the moment domestic crime, which I believe that it is, then I believe that it will curb the degree of damage done from violent crime, yes.
Is it good to regulate to that degree? That's a different matter. Do I think it will help the real world issue, yes I do. Do I think it's overstepping bounds for legitimate tools that people use for cooking, yes I do.
So it is a balance. How many "they just grabbed whatever was at hand" violent crimes do you want to curb vs. how annoying do you want it to be for normal people to gut fish? It also would likely reduce accidents in the kitchen. I know that having access to pointed knives in my own home is a problem. My wife swings them about wildly because she can't remember that she has a knife in her hand if she starts talking, the kids can't remember to stay out of the kitchen while other people are cooking, knives fall often, and no one but me will set one down anywhere but point out and at the edge of the counter.
I sure wish we only had rounded knives around here.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller The overarching point is more of "do you think rounding off kitchen knives will curb violent crime?"
If the issue is spur of the moment domestic crime, which I believe that it is, then I believe that it will curb the degree of damage done from violent crime, yes.
Is it good to regulate to that degree? That's a different matter. Do I think it will help the real world issue, yes I do. Do I think it's overstepping bounds for legitimate tools that people use for cooking, yes I do.
So it is a balance. How many "they just grabbed whatever was at hand" violent crimes do you want to curb vs. how annoying do you want it to be for normal people to gut fish? It also would likely reduce accidents in the kitchen. I know that having access to pointed knives in my own home is a problem. My wife swings them about wildly because she can't remember that she has a knife in her hand if she starts talking, the kids can't remember to stay out of the kitchen while other people are cooking, knives fall often, and no one but me will set one down anywhere but point out and at the edge of the counter.
I sure wish we only had rounded knives around here.
I personally believe it is a larger issue than spur of the moment domestic crime, and I thoroughly believe it is an attempt to fight a symptom and not the problem. And in the much larger degree I believe it is a frightening road to try to travel, as the end of that road is not nearly as good as they want it to be. We can talk about addressing accidents, that would be a conversation worth having. But curbing domestic crime? I truly don't think so.
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@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@fiyafly said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller The overarching point is more of "do you think rounding off kitchen knives will curb violent crime?"
If the issue is spur of the moment domestic crime, which I believe that it is, then I believe that it will curb the degree of damage done from violent crime, yes.
Is it good to regulate to that degree? That's a different matter. Do I think it will help the real world issue, yes I do. Do I think it's overstepping bounds for legitimate tools that people use for cooking, yes I do.
So it is a balance. How many "they just grabbed whatever was at hand" violent crimes do you want to curb vs. how annoying do you want it to be for normal people to gut fish? It also would likely reduce accidents in the kitchen. I know that having access to pointed knives in my own home is a problem. My wife swings them about wildly because she can't remember that she has a knife in her hand if she starts talking, the kids can't remember to stay out of the kitchen while other people are cooking, knives fall often, and no one but me will set one down anywhere but point out and at the edge of the counter.
I sure wish we only had rounded knives around here.
I personally believe it is a larger issue than spur of the moment domestic crime, and I thoroughly believe it is an attempt to fight a symptom and not the problem. And in the much larger degree I believe it is a frightening road to try to travel, as the end of that road is not nearly as good as they want it to be. We can talk about addressing accidents, that would be a conversation worth having. But curbing domestic crime? I truly don't think so.
The reason they have addressed it with this is because people were grabbing knives out of the kitchen to carry with them. Spur of the moment, like a domestic dispute, or a kid getting angry at a parent, or crime within the household in general, would be one thing. But the thing they are trying to curb is done with intent. Enough so that they decided to carry these things with them.
I don't believe it's spur of the moment crime. I believe it is premeditated.
