Unitrends Free is still useless
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@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
It is required to use Full Server + Hyper-V role... WTF...
I keep wanting to like their product, but I can't. It fits none of my use cases.
Same with Veeam B&R
That is not correct.
Veeam Requires a Windows instance to run on. But that is not the same thing as Unitrends.
Veeam installs the control software on your desktop or server. Then you connect it to storage and the hypervisor(s). It then installs its tooling into the hypervisor. When you create backups you can tell it to backup direct from the hypervisor to the storage. It does not go through the control software. -
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@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
It is required to use Full Server + Hyper-V role... WTF...
I keep wanting to like their product, but I can't. It fits none of my use cases.
Same with Veeam B&R
That is not correct.
Veeam Requires a Windows instance to run on. But that is not the same thing as Unitrends.
Veeam installs the control software on your desktop or server. Then you connect it to storage and the hypervisor(s). It then installs its tooling into the hypervisor. When you create backups you can tell it to backup direct from the hypervisor to the storage. It does not go through the control software.Huh? Aren't you saying Unitrends Server cannot be installed on a Hyper-V Server, it must be Windows? Just like your Veeam Backup server cannot be installed on a Hyper-V Server, it needs to be Windows?
https://www.veeam.com/veeam_backup_9_5_user_guide_hyperv_pg.pdf
Everything relating to the Veeam backup server must be installed on a full Window's GUI install... the Veeam backup server, the Veeam Backup Repository (unless Linux), the Veeam B&R Console, WAN accelerator...
However, you can BACK UP anything to your Veeam Repository... the agents can pretty much go on anything... but that's not what were talking about right?
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@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
Huh? Aren't you saying Unitrends Server cannot be installed on a Hyper-V Server, it must be Windows? Just like your Veeam Backup server cannot be installed on a Hyper-V Server, it needs to be Windows?
No, it's different, but I can see why it seems that way.
It's two fold...
The actual Unitrends server can only be installed on Hyper-V. But the installer for it only runs on Windows. So if you don't have both Windows and Hyper-V you can't use it. It's insane. Once on Hyper-V, it only runs on CentOS! So three disparate systems all are required to install their one application.
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Veeam just runs on Windows, period. There's no "must be on X hypervisor" and no "must have Y OS to install." There's just one requirement.
If Unitrends allowed you to install directly, it would just be "Requires CentOS".
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@scottalanmiller said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
The actual Unitrends server can only be installed on Hyper-V. But the installer for it only runs on Windows. So if you don't have both Windows and Hyper-V you can't use it. It's insane. Once on Hyper-V, it only runs on CentOS! So three disparate systems all are required to install their one application.
Why in the hell would any design a system like that. . .
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@scottalanmiller said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
Huh? Aren't you saying Unitrends Server cannot be installed on a Hyper-V Server, it must be Windows? Just like your Veeam Backup server cannot be installed on a Hyper-V Server, it needs to be Windows?
No, it's different, but I can see why it seems that way.
It's two fold...
The actual Unitrends server can only be installed on Hyper-V. But the installer for it only runs on Windows. So if you don't have both Windows and Hyper-V you can't use it. It's insane. Once on Hyper-V, it only runs on CentOS! So three disparate systems all are required to install their one application.
Oh I see, didn't understand what he meant. Yeah, that's different then.
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@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
So the official instructions (for the trial not free) say to extract the VHD from the ISO.. But there is an exe in the ISO and I cannot open it with 7zip.
So where the fuck am I supposed to get the VHD from?
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@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
y to extrac
The it's probably a self-extracting .exe. Extract the the EXE from the .ISO... then run the EXE, which will probably extract the VHD. Just a guess.
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@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
y to extrac
The it's probably a self-extracting .exe. Extract the the EXE from the .ISO... then run the EXE, which will probably extract the VHD. Just a guess.
Not arguing, just stupid.
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@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
y to extrac
The it's probably a self-extracting .exe. Extract the the EXE from the .ISO... then run the EXE, which will probably extract the VHD. Just a guess.
Not arguing, just stupid.
Yeah pretty pointless.
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@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@jaredbusch said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
y to extrac
The it's probably a self-extracting .exe. Extract the the EXE from the .ISO... then run the EXE, which will probably extract the VHD. Just a guess.
Not arguing, just stupid.
Yeah pretty pointless.
Totally pointless apparently..
This is the trial version
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This is what Free does.
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This entire post is just making me never want to use this product ever.
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@dustinb3403 said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
This entire post is just making me never want to use this product ever.
I gave up trying their products all together.
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Could it be like this because the .EXE automatically extracts AND configures the VM? If so, then it would make sense to require Hyper-V Role be installed.
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@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
Could it be like this because the .EXE automatically extracts AND configures the VM? If so, then it would make sense to require Hyper-V Role be installed.
If I remember correctly when you start the installation, there’s a temporary folder with multiple powershell scripts that does most of configuration.
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@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
Could it be like this because the .EXE automatically extracts AND configures the VM? If so, then it would make sense to require Hyper-V Role be installed.
That's definitely not a good reason for the role to be needed.
Nothing like requiring a non-production approach! It speaks volumes as to how they see themselves.
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@scottalanmiller said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
@obsolesce said in Unitrends Free is still useless:
Could it be like this because the .EXE automatically extracts AND configures the VM? If so, then it would make sense to require Hyper-V Role be installed.
That's definitely not a good reason for the role to be needed.
Nothing like requiring a non-production approach! It speaks volumes as to how they see themselves.
It's a reason to, but I never suggested it was a good one!
