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      NerdyDad
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      I worked for a cable ISP that offered both, just a modem, modems with wireless routers, modems with just voip, and then modems with router and voip all built in together. These are more for subs that are less tech savvy and not interested in managing their own networks.

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        coliver
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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald

        This day in history.

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          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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          @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

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          But with the Draytek's they have ADSL/FTTC modem built in. The EdgeRouters don't as I don't know how things work in the US how do people set these up?

          We almost never have ADSL in the US and almost never have modems built into routers. That's reserved for the lowest of low end consumer gear, and ever there it is rare. It happens, but extremely uncommon and basically unheard of in business. It was super rare in business even when DSL was still common.

          In the US, for all intents and purposes, your termination is always Ethernet. Modems are provided by the ISP and everything is converted to Ethernet before you have to deal with it.

          Except for all those shitty ran SMB that buy home cheap consumer gear andlet the ISP use their "router" instead of getting real equipment. That is by far the majority of accounts in the US by volume.

          I work with lots of tiny, crappy companies and never, ever see this. Don't even know ISPs that offer that.

          Again, this shows just how far out of common reality you actually are Scott.

          You always say this, but when we look, I'm normally pretty on point. Where are you finding this horde of companies using ADSL today? What ISPs are providing it? Is this some really specific, very rural market?

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            dbeato @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

            Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

            Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

            Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

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              RojoLoco
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              @EddieJennings here's a great example of Curtis being Curtis:

              https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2085297-dell-latitude-e5570-bluetooth-not-working-solved?source=superfeed

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                scottalanmiller
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                If you have great Curtis quotes and links, be sure to put them in the Better Than Aliens thread.

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                  scottalanmiller
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                  https://mangolassi.it/topic/1443/better-than-aliens

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                    jmoore
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                    just discovered the puddles pitty party. love it. how did i not hear of this before

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                      JaredBusch @dbeato
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                      @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                      Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                      Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                      Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                      Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                      I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

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                        RojoLoco @jmoore
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                        @jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        just discovered the puddles pitty party. love it. how did i not hear of this before

                        He's the BEST!!!! Atlanta native and really nice guy. My ex was good friends w his sister, so I've met Big Mike a few times. Possibly the most talented artist in town right now.

                        Here's the new mural on the side of a bar called Church (which is a must-do if you're in ATL):

                        0_1510333104705_puddlesmural_mwells_oneuseonly.jpg

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                          scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                          @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                          Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                          Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                          Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                          Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                          I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                          I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

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                            coliver @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                            @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                            Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                            Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                            Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                            Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                            I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                            I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

                            Around here they have these terrible Actiontec (I think) modem/router combos for ADSL. Just terrible. They are stupidly unreliable and I've had to replace a dozen of them over the past few years.

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                              scottalanmiller @coliver
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                              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                              Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                              Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                              Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                              Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                              I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                              I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

                              Around here they have these terrible Actiontec (I think) modem/router combos for ADSL. Just terrible. They are stupidly unreliable and I've had to replace a dozen of them over the past few years.

                              But they provide them, right?

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                                jmoore @RojoLoco
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                                @rojoloco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @jmoore said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                just discovered the puddles pitty party. love it. how did i not hear of this before

                                He's the BEST!!!! Atlanta native and really nice guy. My ex was good friends w his sister, so I've met Big Mike a few times. Possibly the most talented artist in town right now.

                                Here's the new mural on the side of a bar called Church (which is a must-do if you're in ATL):

                                0_1510333104705_puddlesmural_mwells_oneuseonly.jpg

                                dang he is one of the most talented singers i have ever heard. i am just blown away. love that mural too. im coming to atlanta next may, i will have to go there!

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                                  JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                                  Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                                  Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                                  Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                                  Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                                  I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                                  I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

                                  When was the last time you worked with this? Basically *DSL variation come as a router connection now, not as a simple modem bridge. Have for 10 years or more actually. I was still at AT&T when they switch from using modems (bridge only) to routers.

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                                    coliver @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                                    Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                                    Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                                    Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                                    Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                                    I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                                    I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

                                    Around here they have these terrible Actiontec (I think) modem/router combos for ADSL. Just terrible. They are stupidly unreliable and I've had to replace a dozen of them over the past few years.

                                    But they provide them, right?

                                    Only the first one. If for any reason they break you have to purchase a new one from the telephone company.

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                                      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                      @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                                      Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                                      Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                                      Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                                      Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                                      I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                                      I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

                                      When was the last time you worked with this? Basically *DSL variation come as a router connection now, not as a simple modem bridge. Have for 10 years or more actually. I was still at AT&T when they switch from using modems (bridge only) to routers.

                                      It's been several months. Not since April.

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                                        scottalanmiller @coliver
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                                        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @jaredbusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @scottalanmiller No, this happens in NJ and NY City for SMB all the time. We have here Comcast, Spectrum, Verizon, Altiva/Optimum/Cablevision, Cogent and others.

                                        Verizon is hit and miss, most has been moved to FIOS (fiber) but they still offer Coax and AdSL to customers in areas that doesn't have fiber. So we dont get ethernet drops unless you ask multiple times or if it is DSL. with Coax you are left to their Verizon modem .

                                        Cable Vision is Coax Internet for Businesses so all goes to an Arris, Motorola or Cisco router and then you get your ethernet Drop.

                                        Spectrum and Comcast are same as well.

                                        Exactly. This is the normal for SMB, not the exception.

                                        I am not saying that your experience is not your experience @scottalanmiller, but I am saying that it is not the normal for what is out there in the SMB space.

                                        I expect coax options, but ADSL in large quantities and ADSL where they don't provide the bridge gear? Even when working with ADSL, which I have done, and SDSL, I always found it far more common that the gear was provided for converting to ethernet.

                                        Around here they have these terrible Actiontec (I think) modem/router combos for ADSL. Just terrible. They are stupidly unreliable and I've had to replace a dozen of them over the past few years.

                                        But they provide them, right?

                                        Only the first one. If for any reason they break you have to purchase a new one from the telephone company.

                                        Obviously, that's always how ISP equipment works.

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                                          RojoLoco @jmoore
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                                          @jmoore Definitely hit me up before you're here... I'll try to come up with some places you should see, plus we can grab some drinks and food.

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                                            jmoore @RojoLoco
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                                            @rojoloco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @jmoore Definitely hit me up before you're here... I'll try to come up with some places you should see, plus we can grab some drinks and food.

                                            that sounds like an awesome plan. i will be with the family because we are going to an aquarium there so my son can see a whale shark but i will work it out so i can do some other things. church will be on that list

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