Manage KVM through Cockpit
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@fateknollogee said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@francesco-provino said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Why everybody seems to need a GUI for KVM? Virsh can do absolutely anything, in a much more concise, fast and elegant way. It's also very bandwidth friendly.
Because some of us "just" want it. Why it this so hard for some of you to understand?
Maybe for virtualized Windows guest that needs console acces? Does cockpit provides that feature?
Yes it does.
@fateknollogee said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@francesco-provino said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Why everybody seems to need a GUI for KVM? Virsh can do absolutely anything, in a much more concise, fast and elegant way. It's also very bandwidth friendly.
Because some of us "just" want it. Why it this so hard for some of you to understand?
Maybe for virtualized Windows guest that needs console acces? Does cockpit provides that feature?
Yes it does.
I was not aware of the console redirection. Perhaps, it seems more like a link generator for the usual spice/vnc client. I can understand it for windows troubleshooting… no use at all for linux guests.
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@francesco-provino said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Why everybody seems to need a GUI for KVM? Virsh can do absolutely anything, in a much more concise, fast and elegant way. It's also very bandwidth friendly.
That made me laugh a lot
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@olivier said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@francesco-provino said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
Why everybody seems to need a GUI for KVM? Virsh can do absolutely anything, in a much more concise, fast and elegant way. It's also very bandwidth friendly.
That made me laugh a lot
Why, you agree or disagree with that statement?
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@fateknollogee The need for UI in Open Source is ultra-important, and I don't get why people don't get it.
It's even possible to make some money with that
So when I heard someone telling this, it's really funny and remind me some disdain I met in the past when I started Xen Orchestra. -
@olivier said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@fateknollogee The need for UI in Open Source is ultra-important, and I don't get why people don't get it.
Well said... @olivier
This is exactly what I said (in a prev post)..."Because some of us "just" want it. Why it this so hard for some of you to understand?" -
It's hard to understand because sometimes there is a difference between being a tech person mastering a technology and being able to understand users need.
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Can't be everywhere
And this seems less fancy that communicating with KVM directly. Sadly, last time I inspected the "state of KVM APIs", it was far from XAPI features 
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Then let XOA communicate directly with KVM !
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@fateknollogee 1. Because KVM APIs are really light (like "pure" Xen APIs).
2. This will require hiring 10 people approx for 1y. -
@olivier said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@fateknollogee 1. Because KVM APIs are really light (like "pure" Xen APIs).
2. This will require hiring 10 people approx for 1y.10 people for a year for beer and food seems like a good investment.
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CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
Can it work like that in the browser with spice?
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@tim_g said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
Can it work like that in the browser with spice?
well it depends on cockpit for the most. there are vnc web implementations out there, like in kimchi.
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@tim_g said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
Can it work like that in the browser with spice?
If you only have SPICE it makes you run through virt-viewer. Currently I don't know of a way to do it.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@tim_g said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
Can it work like that in the browser with spice?
If you only have SPICE it makes you run through virt-viewer. Currently I don't know of a way to do it.
Okay yeah, that's what I was getting at.
It would be nice via Cockpit web console... perfect actually, rather than having to do the whole Kimchi thing.
I've just had best luck all around with Spice. But for non-gui VMs, VNC would work.
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@tim_g said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@tim_g said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
Can it work like that in the browser with spice?
If you only have SPICE it makes you run through virt-viewer. Currently I don't know of a way to do it.
Okay yeah, that's what I was getting at.
It would be nice via Cockpit web console... perfect actually, rather than having to do the whole Kimchi thing.
I've just had best luck all around with Spice. But for non-gui VMs, VNC would work.
Ya SPICE is definitely better in every regard. I'm sure they will get there. I can't log into the console on most of mine anyway so it's not a big deal for me.
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@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
What did you do to be able to see the terminal in Cockpit? When I try I just see "Manual Connection" connection info, and a button to launch Remote Viewer. I do have both SPICE and VNC display added.
When I'm using In-Browser Viewer, I don't get anything.
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@tim_g said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
@stacksofplates said in Manage KVM through Cockpit:
CentOS 7 now has the VM console as long as the VM has VNC graphics. You don't need to remove SPICE, you can just add VNC also.
What did you do to be able to see the terminal in Cockpit? When I try I just see "Manual Connection" connection info, and a button to launch Remote Viewer. I do have both SPICE and VNC display added.
When I'm using In-Browser Viewer, I don't get anything.
Oh, it was hidden. When I resized my web browser, it showed the "Password Required" box.
In order for me to see that, I have to resize my web browser every time. If it's maximized, I have to un-maximize it, and then maximize it again, or resize it any way period to get it to show. Weird.
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If I have the VNC connection passworded, in Cockpit after entering the password, it gives an error: "Failed to connect to server (code: 1006)".
If I do not use a password, it works fine. Anyone else run into this?
