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@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I have something else I wanted to discuss, while we're at it. They have a peculiar setup, so let me try to explain. One of the owners want to "access all the projects" from anywhere, whether it's in the office, at home or outside the office in a meeting. They previously had VPN set up, but complain that it's too slow. Tough crowd to please.
They have O365 licensing, which comes with OneDrive and asked if we can use that because they don't want to spend more money on another solution. I proposed this rig (for lack of a better word), where I shared a Sharepoint folder on the local network. This way users can access files locally, changes will replicate to SharePoint and, if someone is outside of the office, they can access the files through OneDrive (and vice-versa). I really banged my head trying to think of a better solution without adding a bunch of overhead, but feel free to chime in. I know it's not ideal, but it works. Feel free to drop comments.
I hope this all makes sense and sorry for any typos, it's a lot to drop in here. I'll check back here in an hour or so. Thank you everyone for your help, it is much appreciated.What was slow about the VPN? They do add some overhead to any transfers, but I haven't, in general, notice they affect them that bad. What upload speed do you have in the office?
Of course, it's like that MS through O365 is going to have great upload compared to most SMBs, so downloading a file from MS will likely always be possibly faster than from your office location.
As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.
They have Comcast cable 50 down, 5 up and those are advertised speeds so it's likely less. The only other option they have from there is to go Fiber and I gave them the quote 1 year ago and they still haven't decided...They get 1TB in SharePoint and can upgrade (by paying), the item limit is 5k per library and 20k overall so I think they're okay.
In a business? That's ridiculously slow. No wonder their VPN feels slow for CAD. A VPN adds overhead and latency. In the real world, you'll be lucky if this gets 2-3Mb/s throughput. SMB (the Windows file transfer protocol) is not meant for use over a WAN and is very inefficient for this. Considering a 100Mb/s low latency local network connection is noticeably slow today and 1Gb/s is typical moving to 5Mb/s with high latency, VPN overhead and shared between all users on the network could easily mean a difference of 3,000x!
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@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Their internet is 10* times slower than my residential internet service.
Yeah, I get 160Mb/s at home and could upgrade if it wasn't enough.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Their internet is 10* times slower than my residential internet service.
Yeah, I get 160Mb/s at home and could upgrade if it wasn't enough.
I'm getting 500/50 at my residence, and could still move up to 1000/100
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Their internet is 10* times slower than my residential internet service.
Yeah, I get 160Mb/s at home and could upgrade if it wasn't enough.
Yeah this is about what I have. I think my max option is 300/60.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I have something else I wanted to discuss, while we're at it. They have a peculiar setup, so let me try to explain. One of the owners want to "access all the projects" from anywhere, whether it's in the office, at home or outside the office in a meeting. They previously had VPN set up, but complain that it's too slow. Tough crowd to please.
They have O365 licensing, which comes with OneDrive and asked if we can use that because they don't want to spend more money on another solution. I proposed this rig (for lack of a better word), where I shared a Sharepoint folder on the local network. This way users can access files locally, changes will replicate to SharePoint and, if someone is outside of the office, they can access the files through OneDrive (and vice-versa). I really banged my head trying to think of a better solution without adding a bunch of overhead, but feel free to chime in. I know it's not ideal, but it works. Feel free to drop comments.
I hope this all makes sense and sorry for any typos, it's a lot to drop in here. I'll check back here in an hour or so. Thank you everyone for your help, it is much appreciated.What was slow about the VPN? They do add some overhead to any transfers, but I haven't, in general, notice they affect them that bad. What upload speed do you have in the office?
Of course, it's like that MS through O365 is going to have great upload compared to most SMBs, so downloading a file from MS will likely always be possibly faster than from your office location.
As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.
They have Comcast cable 50 down, 5 up and those are advertised speeds so it's likely less. The only other option they have from there is to go Fiber and I gave them the quote 1 year ago and they still haven't decided...They get 1TB in SharePoint and can upgrade (by paying), the item limit is 5k per library and 20k overall so I think they're okay.
In a business? That's ridiculously slow.
Really? I suppose it really matters more what you are doing with it. The last time I looked at business connections from Cox a 50/5 cost around $150/month. My 100/20 costs me around $340 month.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Their internet is 10* times slower than my residential internet service.
Yeah, I get 160Mb/s at home and could upgrade if it wasn't enough.
Yeah this is about what I have. I think my max option is 300/60.
160 is my upload.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@luismc said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
I have something else I wanted to discuss, while we're at it. They have a peculiar setup, so let me try to explain. One of the owners want to "access all the projects" from anywhere, whether it's in the office, at home or outside the office in a meeting. They previously had VPN set up, but complain that it's too slow. Tough crowd to please.
They have O365 licensing, which comes with OneDrive and asked if we can use that because they don't want to spend more money on another solution. I proposed this rig (for lack of a better word), where I shared a Sharepoint folder on the local network. This way users can access files locally, changes will replicate to SharePoint and, if someone is outside of the office, they can access the files through OneDrive (and vice-versa). I really banged my head trying to think of a better solution without adding a bunch of overhead, but feel free to chime in. I know it's not ideal, but it works. Feel free to drop comments.
I hope this all makes sense and sorry for any typos, it's a lot to drop in here. I'll check back here in an hour or so. Thank you everyone for your help, it is much appreciated.What was slow about the VPN? They do add some overhead to any transfers, but I haven't, in general, notice they affect them that bad. What upload speed do you have in the office?
Of course, it's like that MS through O365 is going to have great upload compared to most SMBs, so downloading a file from MS will likely always be possibly faster than from your office location.
As for Sharepoint - You don't get that much storage in Sharepoint in O365, so you'll likely be paying for more storage there. Sharepoint also has a number of files per site limit, just something else to watch out for.
They have Comcast cable 50 down, 5 up and those are advertised speeds so it's likely less. The only other option they have from there is to go Fiber and I gave them the quote 1 year ago and they still haven't decided...They get 1TB in SharePoint and can upgrade (by paying), the item limit is 5k per library and 20k overall so I think they're okay.
In a business? That's ridiculously slow.
Really? I suppose it really matters more what you are doing with it. The last time I looked at business connections from Cox a 50/5 cost around $150/month. My 100/20 costs me around $340 month.
Right, and is Cox really a business class solution provider?
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My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
Their internet is 10* times slower than my residential internet service.
Yeah, I get 160Mb/s at home and could upgrade if it wasn't enough.
Yeah this is about what I have. I think my max option is 300/60.
160 is my upload.
oh holy crap! yeah, that will cost a fortune here.
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@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
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@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
https://i.imgur.com/ICDCbPQ.png
going to be hard pressed to find a business owner who's paying $100/month for internet to suddenly pay 7x that unless there is a business need where that's a good spend. -
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is what you can get in my hometown.
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WOW - that smokes GreenLight's pricing!!!!
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
eh? How does this help a company that's trying to host files for it's users to access?
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
eh? How does this help a company that's trying to host files for it's users to access?
It's useful for anyone struggling with acquiring or affording fast Internet access for their systems. How is it not useful? They have a WAN bandwidth concern, this might solve it. Obviously it's a major discussion and has a lot of factors. But we have no information that would suggest that it's not a viable consideration.
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In writing that question, I was wondering - why not move all file services to something like NextCloud. Then remote access would be pretty good, only limited by the download speed at each location.
Of course then I realized that uploading to NextCloud would be horrible compared to a local assumed 1 Gb/s network.
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@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
eh? How does this help a company that's trying to host files for it's users to access?
It's useful for anyone struggling with acquiring or affording fast Internet access for their systems. How is it not useful? They have a WAN bandwidth concern, this might solve it. Obviously it's a major discussion and has a lot of factors. But we have no information that would suggest that it's not a viable consideration.
Please lay that out for me. What exactly are you proposing?
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@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@scottalanmiller said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dashrender said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
@dustinb3403 said in Port - How to go about setting up a client to be virtualized?:
My 500/50 cost me $75, which is faster then everything being mentioned here, and cheaper!
Also consumer - find out how much that is for a business.
This is a huge reason why working from home can be so smart.
eh? How does this help a company that's trying to host files for it's users to access?
It's useful for anyone struggling with acquiring or affording fast Internet access for their systems. How is it not useful? They have a WAN bandwidth concern, this might solve it. Obviously it's a major discussion and has a lot of factors. But we have no information that would suggest that it's not a viable consideration.
Please lay that out for me. What exactly are you proposing?
What do you mean? Currently an issue with performance is a 5Mb/s shared connection bottleneck. I proposed a way around it. Not much to explain.
