US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website
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@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
even making a pipe bomb isn't illegal.
Making it might not be, but possession of it may be depending on the jurisdiction.
True, but intent needs to be considered.
I might legitimately need a pipe bomb to break apart some concrete at my house.
That's not how that works. It depends on jurisdiction but possession of an improvised explosive device is illegal in most states.
What makes something improvised rather than carefully planned?
non-improvised typically mean not put together yourself from raw materials.
the exact definition varies by jurisdiction also.
additionally non-improvised are also generally illegal.
Seems like they'd just say "don't have bombs", then.
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@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
even making a pipe bomb isn't illegal.
Making it might not be, but possession of it may be depending on the jurisdiction.
True, but intent needs to be considered.
I might legitimately need a pipe bomb to break apart some concrete at my house.
That's not how that works. It depends on jurisdiction but possession of an improvised explosive device is illegal in most states.
What makes something improvised rather than carefully planned?
non-improvised typically mean not put together yourself from raw materials.
the exact definition varies by jurisdiction also.
additionally non-improvised are also generally illegal.
Seems like they'd just say "don't have bombs", then.
Since when were people logical?
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@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
even making a pipe bomb isn't illegal.
Making it might not be, but possession of it may be depending on the jurisdiction.
True, but intent needs to be considered.
I might legitimately need a pipe bomb to break apart some concrete at my house.
That's not how that works. It depends on jurisdiction but possession of an improvised explosive device is illegal in most states.
What makes something improvised rather than carefully planned?
non-improvised typically mean not put together yourself from raw materials.
the exact definition varies by jurisdiction also.
additionally non-improvised are also generally illegal.
Seems like they'd just say "don't have bombs", then.
law does not work that way. it has to be explicitly defined.
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@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
even making a pipe bomb isn't illegal.
Making it might not be, but possession of it may be depending on the jurisdiction.
True, but intent needs to be considered.
I might legitimately need a pipe bomb to break apart some concrete at my house.
That's not how that works. It depends on jurisdiction but possession of an improvised explosive device is illegal in most states.
What makes something improvised rather than carefully planned?
If these guys are holding it, it's likely improvised...
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@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@jaredbusch said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@dustinb3403 said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
even making a pipe bomb isn't illegal.
Making it might not be, but possession of it may be depending on the jurisdiction.
True, but intent needs to be considered.
I might legitimately need a pipe bomb to break apart some concrete at my house.
That's not how that works. It depends on jurisdiction but possession of an improvised explosive device is illegal in most states.
What makes something improvised rather than carefully planned?
That's the term that's regularly used for things like pipebombs. It's part of our legal and social lexicon.
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I wonder how they would treat you if you have some malware code on your machine that your happen to be looking at, with no intention of being used.... I bet they would find something to prosecute you with?
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They would surely have to prove that you have intentions, innocent until proving guilty??
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They want it to prove "Malice Aforethought" on the people that they arrested. That they planned, conspired, to do what they did.
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@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
They want it to prove "Malice Aforethought" on the people that they arrested. That they planned, conspired, to do what they did.
They don't need the records of 1.3 million users to have the information about the few people that were arrested and charged. The request is ludicrous.
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@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
They want it to prove "Malice Aforethought" on the people that they arrested. That they planned, conspired, to do what they did.
I think just requesting these addresses shows malice aforethought.
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@scottalanmiller While I think the scope of the request is a bit broad and has privacy concerns for other people not related to those arrested. I do not believe that there is an issue with the government trying to see if the people that were arrested did go to that website and did plan. It changes what charges and what sentencing can be rendered so it is pertinent to the case. I believe it should be a more narrow request than what it was.
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@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller While I think the scope of the request is a bit broad and has privacy concerns for other people not related to those arrested. I do not believe that there is an issue with the government trying to see if the people that were arrested did go to that website and did plan. It changes what charges and what sentencing can be rendered so it is pertinent to the case. I believe it should be a more narrow request than what it was.
Right, a narrow, appropriate request would be for the court case. This is not what a warrant related to the court case would look like.
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@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller While I think the scope of the request is a bit broad and has privacy concerns for other people not related to those arrested. I do not believe that there is an issue with the government trying to see if the people that were arrested did go to that website and did plan. It changes what charges and what sentencing can be rendered so it is pertinent to the case. I believe it should be a more narrow request than what it was.
Why the broad application then? They could go backwards, ask for records for specific IP addresses, if they have someone arrested it should be "easy" to determine what there IP address was at the time. This is just governmental overreach.
How many ISPs are handing out static IP addresses? I know TWC does but the local WISP and local DSL both use DHCP to allocate addresses to their customers.
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@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
How many ISPs are handing out static IP addresses? I know TWC does but the local WISP and local DSL both use DHCP to allocate addresses to their customers.
They may be DHCP, but how often do they really change? Cox uses DHCP for home users as well, but they change very infrequently.
The next question is, is there any type of logging of what IP was given when maintained by the ISP, and if so, for what duration?
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@dashrender said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@coliver said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
How many ISPs are handing out static IP addresses? I know TWC does but the local WISP and local DSL both use DHCP to allocate addresses to their customers.
They may be DHCP, but how often do they really change? Cox uses DHCP for home users as well, but they change very infrequently.
The next question is, is there any type of logging of what IP was given when maintained by the ISP, and if so, for what duration?
That's a good question as well. I know my parents generally get a new IP address every time they reboot their modem, which around here is fairly often due to power issues.
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@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller While I think the scope of the request is a bit broad and has privacy concerns for other people not related to those arrested. I do not believe that there is an issue with the government trying to see if the people that were arrested did go to that website and did plan. It changes what charges and what sentencing can be rendered so it is pertinent to the case. I believe it should be a more narrow request than what it was.
Right, a narrow, appropriate request would be for the court case. This is not what a warrant related to the court case would look like.
I also know though you always ask for the moon and then settle for what you really want.
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@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@penguinwrangler said in US Department of Justice Seeking IP Addresses of All 1.3m Visitors to DisruptJ20 Website:
@scottalanmiller While I think the scope of the request is a bit broad and has privacy concerns for other people not related to those arrested. I do not believe that there is an issue with the government trying to see if the people that were arrested did go to that website and did plan. It changes what charges and what sentencing can be rendered so it is pertinent to the case. I believe it should be a more narrow request than what it was.
Right, a narrow, appropriate request would be for the court case. This is not what a warrant related to the court case would look like.
I also know though you always ask for the moon and then settle for what you really want.
If they get the chance to do that. And you don't ask for the moon when it makes it into a court case exposing your department for corruption and an attack on the American people and the appearance of attempting to stifle free speech in order to promote a political agenda.
