The Ultimate KVM setup
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@tim_g said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
Also to piss off MOAR ppl
Centos is the best due stability and boy I love the LTS
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
What packages are you using on CentOS LTS that break on Fedora Server?
It is the constant updates and fiddling around, didn't Scott had Fedora issue with storage recently ... I rest my case
He could've had the same issue with any distro. inodes aren't specific to Fedora, or even Linux (File ID's in Windows)
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
So they added a couple of things and container support and now people like them as a server os.
If centos dies I will go to Debian. I want OS that is older than me , slow comfortable updates. Thank God I live in third world country where evolution takes centuries , we want centos.
I guess you are too young to have lived though this, but RedHat Linux became both RedHat Enterprise Linux and Fedora Project.
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@tim_g said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
Also to piss off MOAR ppl
Centos is the best due stability and boy I love the LTS
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
What packages are you using on CentOS LTS that break on Fedora Server?
It is the constant updates and fiddling around, didn't Scott had Fedora issue with storage recently ... I rest my case
That had nothing to do with Fedora. Did you not bother to read the thread?
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@coliver said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
You have a serious misunderstanding of the Fedora/RHEL/CentOS relationship if you believe this is true.
I won't deny that, it can get confusing.
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@coliver said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
You have a serious misunderstanding of the Fedora/RHEL/CentOS relationship if you believe this is true.
I won't deny that, it can get confusing.
Not really. Google can tell you.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2003-September/msg00064.html
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Red_Hat_Linux -
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
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@jaredbusch said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@tim_g said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
Also to piss off MOAR ppl
Centos is the best due stability and boy I love the LTS
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
What packages are you using on CentOS LTS that break on Fedora Server?
It is the constant updates and fiddling around, didn't Scott had Fedora issue with storage recently ... I rest my case
That had nothing to do with Fedora. Did you not bother to read the thread?
But i have gut feeling with centos it wouldn't happen. But let us stop with this personal choice even though it is clear what is the good choice and just look and appreciate the ultimate KVM set-up
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@jaredbusch said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@tim_g said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
Also to piss off MOAR ppl
Centos is the best due stability and boy I love the LTS
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
What packages are you using on CentOS LTS that break on Fedora Server?
It is the constant updates and fiddling around, didn't Scott had Fedora issue with storage recently ... I rest my case
That had nothing to do with Fedora. Did you not bother to read the thread?
But i have gut feeling with centos it wouldn't happen. But let us stop with this personal choice even though it is clear what is the good choice and just look and appreciate the ultimate KVM set-up
CentOS uses inodes too. Every Distro uses inodes.
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@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@coliver said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
And Fedora is just desktop os that evolved into the server area and if there is really smart guys that want to use it as an server os be my guest. Please pave the way with your beta testing and downstream to centos . I have choosen my side.
You have a serious misunderstanding of the Fedora/RHEL/CentOS relationship if you believe this is true.
I won't deny that, it can get confusing.
Not really. Fedora is the base of both RHEL and CentOS. It's the regular release vs the RHEL LTS. If you're calling Fedora not fit to be on a server that means that both RHEL and CentOS are both equally unfit.
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
No no no
It is 2 centos minimal install with kvm
No guiAnd 1 Fedora with lxqt spin with Virt Manager
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
The Virt-Manager is being hosted either on a VM or on a desktop. It's not being hosted as part of the hypervisor. Think SCVMM, Hyper-V Manager, XenCenter, or vCenter.
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@coliver said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
The Virt-Manager is being hosted either on a VM or on a desktop. It's not being hosted as part of the hypervisor. Think SCVMM, Hyper-V Manager, XenCenter, or vCenter.
Ah. Thanks
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
Example: We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
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@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
The argument is flawed though.
Tools are only meant to make the process efficient. You're stating that using a GUI is counter efficiency. Which in terms of resources required to use the GUI, makes sense.
But the GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error) by providing a button to start a specific VM etc.
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@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@dustinb3403 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@wirestyle22 said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
@emad-r said in The Ultimate KVM setup:
I got triggered cause there can be only 1 KVM MASTER
It's weird that you're attempting to take the KVM Master role with a GUI install
Why is that any more weird? The CLI is still there to be used, but as far as a tool goes, a GUI is just another one. . .
It's wasted resources. I'd think the KVM Master would be as efficient as possible.
If a tool is needed, why would it be wasted resources? I get what you are trying to get at here, but a tool is a tool is a tool.
If you need a GUI to do something (whatever it is) and it's the best approach "you" know then why bash the tool?
So my old users who say they can't operate a computer shouldn't learn the right way to file things digitally. We should be okay with her using paper because she understands that? I understand what you're saying, but how far down that rabbit hole do we go?
Why would your user be the administrator of the computer? Why are CLI's the golden child tool, and GUI's are the bastard tools?
My point is it's a tool to be used, why not use it if it's available?
It's just an argument for learning the most efficient/best way to do things. I have a lot of failures and some successes with my learning, but I am learning how to do things in the most efficient way I can.
We could start installing hyper-v as a role because i don't know powershell, but the reality is i should learn powershell to manage hyper-v anyway.
The argument is flawed though.
Tools are only meant to make the process efficient. You're stating that using a GUI is counter efficiency. Which in terms of resources required to use the GUI, makes sense.
But the GUI it's self is there to eliminate wasted time remembering powershell (and human error) by providing a button to start a specific VM etc.
I guess it turns into an argument of what is worth more: your resources or your time? It would be on a case by case basis, but I'm sure that you would be correct in some cases.
