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    • DashrenderD
      Dashrender @jfath
      last edited by

      @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

      Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.

      Which of course often ends up costing them even more than the paid products.

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      • DashrenderD
        Dashrender @jfath
        last edited by

        @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

        @dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:

        IF money is going to be spent, and you have a separate backup solution already, I'm seriously wondering why ESXi Essentials isn't the go to option here?

        IF money isn't going to be spent, well, then the choice of free options is what it is.

        Definitely an option. A big part of this problem is trying to spec a solution with complete uncertainty about future budget. Maybe, there will be money to spend this year but maybe not next year so I need a fall back in that case. At least Essentials doesn't cease to function if they don't buy support next year, and the free HTML5 client is getting better.

        In the for-profit sector this would be unacceptable - even when I was involved in small tech startups on very tight budgets, we understood there was a certain IT cost involved in doing business efficiently. Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.

        ESXi Essentials is like $100/yr for updates. Come on, if they can't afford that, they really can't afford computers at all.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender
          last edited by

          Now, this is not to say that EXSi Essentials is what you need. But in the realm of paid products, it's definitely a front runner in my book.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

            @dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:

            @bnrstnr said in Hypervisor choice:

            @Dashrender It definitely seems like a ploy to get people to linger for another year until the next bump in pricing. Why take the product off the website if they truly have any intention of keeping it around long term.

            We paid for it and it was totally worth the $350 at the time I did it (managing HV 2012R2 w/ win10 wasn't working very well). I have no regrets whatsoever switching to XSXO though, which also saved me a Unitrends subscription.

            Unitrends subscription? You have more than 1 TB of data? I thought Unitrends was free for 1 TB and less?

            I didn't think Unitrends had a free option. Isn't that Veeam?

            Both

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            • jfathJ
              jfath @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:

              ESXi Essentials is like $100/yr for updates. Come on, if they can't afford that, they really can't afford computers at all.

              🙂 Yes, that's the kind of number they like. I assumed it was another $560 for each additional year (still very reasonable)

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              • jfathJ
                jfath @jfath
                last edited by

                And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @jfath
                  last edited by

                  @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                  And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                  $0 is easily beats that price.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                    @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                    And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                    $0 is easily beats that price.

                    Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.

                    $0 gets you zero support.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
                      last edited by

                      @jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:

                      @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                      @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                      And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                      $0 is easily beats that price.

                      Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.

                      $0 gets you zero support.

                      Get's you community support.

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                      • black3dynamiteB
                        black3dynamite @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                        @jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:

                        @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                        @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                        And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                        $0 is easily beats that price.

                        Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.

                        $0 gets you zero support.

                        Get's you community support.

                        Sometimes community support is not enough.

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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403 @black3dynamite
                          last edited by

                          @black3dynamite said in Hypervisor choice:

                          @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                          @jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:

                          @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                          @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                          And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                          $0 is easily beats that price.

                          Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.

                          $0 gets you zero support.

                          Get's you community support.

                          Sometimes community support is not enough.

                          I agree, but that isn't something we can evaluate for @jfath

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            To argue the point further, many people here would recommend Hyper-V, yet there is no official support channel from Microsoft that anyone would use.

                            You'd use all third party support.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                                last edited by DustinB3403

                                @dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:

                                ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.

                                Yup, he'd have to step up to Essentials Plus for basic support. Which takes the price from $560 to $5,439. . . Big jump for basic support.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
                                  last edited by

                                  Which if you're stepping up in levels, you're paying more (and still lacking possible features).

                                  So why not use a free hypervisor, and get third party support.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
                                    last edited by DustinB3403

                                    Alternatively he could do a VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit Term which is a 1 year cost and spend $2,740 annually.

                                    Which could be worthwhile, especially if support is needed to address an issue.

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                                    • DashrenderD
                                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                      last edited by

                                      @dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:

                                      @dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:

                                      ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.

                                      Yup, he'd have to step up to Essentials Plus for basic support. Which takes the price from $560 to $5,439. . . Big jump for basic support.

                                      WHAT? OK I really don't know if Essentials Plus includes basic support, but you don't need that - paying per call is acceptable in this case. When I last looked (3 years ago) a single call in ticket was like $250.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @jfath
                                        last edited by

                                        @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                                        @dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:

                                        IF money is going to be spent, and you have a separate backup solution already, I'm seriously wondering why ESXi Essentials isn't the go to option here?

                                        IF money isn't going to be spent, well, then the choice of free options is what it is.

                                        Definitely an option. A big part of this problem is trying to spec a solution with complete uncertainty about future budget. Maybe, there will be money to spend this year but maybe not next year so I need a fall back in that case. At least Essentials doesn't cease to function if they don't buy support next year, and the free HTML5 client is getting better.

                                        In the for-profit sector this would be unacceptable - even when I was involved in small tech startups on very tight budgets, we understood there was a certain IT cost involved in doing business efficiently. Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.

                                        This is why open source is good... guarantees that you don't have sudden price risks tomorrow.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @jfath
                                          last edited by

                                          @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                                          And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                                          Seems like $350 wasted. Doesn't sound hard to beat at all.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @jfath
                                            last edited by

                                            @jfath said in Hypervisor choice:

                                            And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.

                                            Remember, you get no support with that. So that's $350 lost, and you get essentially nothing for it. KVM gives you more for free.

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