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    • gjacobseG
      gjacobse @coliver
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      @coliver said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

      Eaton and APC is what I have now. Both do the job.

      Thank's @coliver - I could not think of Eaton

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      • FATeknollogeeF
        FATeknollogee @JaredBusch
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        @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

        If you require a UPS to last long enough to matter, then buy a quality Eaton.

        The 5S series at a minimum.
        http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Backup-Power-UPS/5S.aspx

        Eaton is my go-to line
        5S 1500: for desktops
        5PX 2200 or 3000 + EBM: for servers

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        • MattSpellerM
          MattSpeller
          last edited by MattSpeller

          No. There are no good consumer cheap UPS's that are worth buying. They are worse than useless!

          Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

          Yeah worse than useless because they fail all the F!(@#%!)! time and you'll trust them to work. This does not end well.

          Spend big bucks and get proper good quality stuff or figure out a better backup method.

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          • brianlittlejohnB
            brianlittlejohn @gjacobse
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            @gjacobse said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

            @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

            @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

            Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

            Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

            I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

            Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

            You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

            ctrl + s ... it's your friend.

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch @gjacobse
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              @gjacobse said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

              @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

              @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

              Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

              Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

              I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

              Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

              You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

              That is your own fucking problem for not saving. Not the problem of the power.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @gjacobse
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                @gjacobse said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                @JaredBusch said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                Does anyone have a UPS for a desktop computer they like? Is there something that comes with the software to do a graceful shutdown of a computer if it's going to run out of battery?

                Just any random piece of shit consumer UPS will be fine to handle the basic blackouts.

                I never plug in a UPS to control a desktop shutdown.

                Just let it die. There should not be anything intelligent on there that could be lost.

                You say that now,... but spend 3 hours owrking on a spread sheet and losing it due to a power outage.

                This is like that episode of Growing Pains when Carrol teaches Mr. Seaver how to save files.

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                • Mike DavisM
                  Mike Davis
                  last edited by

                  The reason I'm asking is yesterday a customer lost 4 hours of transactions (that 4 people were putting in) in quickbooks when the power went out unexpectedly. There isn't a way for them to save often.

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                  • Mike DavisM
                    Mike Davis
                    last edited by

                    They asked about backup power so it wouldn't happen again. I don't want to recommend UPSs that don't do their job, but I have never used small ones like that so I don't know what people have had good luck with.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                      last edited by

                      @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                      The reason I'm asking is yesterday a customer lost 4 hours of transactions (that 4 people were putting in) in quickbooks when the power went out unexpectedly. There isn't a way for them to save often.

                      The root of the problem here, of course, is QuickBooks. Do you realize that this means that QB was caching database transactions for FOUR HOURS! WTF

                      There is no way anyone can claim that this is okay to use in a business use case. That's unthinkable. Four seconds without flushing to disk, sure. Four hours, there's no excuse for QB making that or anyone buying it and acting like it was a legitimate recommendation. It should be saving EVERY transaction as it happens. This isn't 1980, we know how to make databases.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                        last edited by

                        @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                        They asked about backup power so it wouldn't happen again. I don't want to recommend UPSs that don't do their job, but I have never used small ones like that so I don't know what people have had good luck with.

                        Most anything works for a desktop. But this is really a critical server. You want to step things up a bit.

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                        • Mike DavisM
                          Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
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                          @scottalanmiller I totally agree with you. QuickBooks is way behind the times and I hate supporting it. Can you recommend something for a manufacturing company that is better designed, is easy to use, has support, and will either export to QuickBooks or be easy for their accountant to use? They also have some we plug ins for their web sales ( I think woo commerce IIRC) and another program that prints shipping labels. This is for a company with about 5 people that would use the system at a time.

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                          • Mike DavisM
                            Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                            Most anything works for a desktop. But this is really a critical server. You want to step things up a bit.

                            The server UPS stayed up. It was the desktops that all rebooted when the power dropped for a second.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              A moderate sized Eaton probably makes sense. You have to think of this machine as being an accounting server with a storage malfunction that has to be worked around. You'll have issues if drives fail, power supplies die and similar.

                              Sixteen lost hours of labour is not trivial to lose. And likely takes quite a bit more than sixteen hours to put in again as they have to figure out exactly what was missing, what is corrupt, etc.

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                              • Mike DavisM
                                Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                A moderate sized Eaton probably makes sense. You have to think of this machine as being an accounting server with a storage malfunction that has to be worked around. You'll have issues if drives fail, power supplies die and similar.

                                Sixteen lost hours of labour is not trivial to lose. And likely takes quite a bit more than sixteen hours to put in again as they have to figure out exactly what was missing, what is corrupt, etc.

                                Well the kicker is we lost time using tools like the QuickBooks file Dr to try to repair the file from when it got corrupt - but we were able to get it so we could open the quickbooks file from the time it went down. They printed out all the invoices that were generated after the time of the known good backup. Then we moved the corrupt file aside, put the file in place from the known good backup and they re-entered all the transactions from the hard copies.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                                  last edited by

                                  @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                  A moderate sized Eaton probably makes sense. You have to think of this machine as being an accounting server with a storage malfunction that has to be worked around. You'll have issues if drives fail, power supplies die and similar.

                                  Sixteen lost hours of labour is not trivial to lose. And likely takes quite a bit more than sixteen hours to put in again as they have to figure out exactly what was missing, what is corrupt, etc.

                                  Well the kicker is we lost time using tools like the QuickBooks file Dr to try to repair the file from when it got corrupt - but we were able to get it so we could open the quickbooks file from the time it went down. They printed out all the invoices that were generated after the time of the known good backup. Then we moved the corrupt file aside, put the file in place from the known good backup and they re-entered all the transactions from the hard copies.

                                  Ah, so it wasn't that it didn't save them, it was that it was corrupted because it was holding the file open when the power went out? that's at least more acceptable.

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                                  • Mike DavisM
                                    Mike Davis @scottalanmiller
                                    last edited by

                                    @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                    Ah, so it wasn't that it didn't save them, it was that it was corrupted because it was holding the file open when the power went out? that's at least more acceptable.

                                    yes, At first it wouldn't open. Then we ran the file dr and it would open, but there was some odd stuff like a customer had two entries, with old transactions tied to one entry and one new transaction tied to another entry. A few of the basic reports wouldn't even run.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      By the way, I just found out that @CraigElliott has been the CEO of Xero, one of QB's key competitors.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @Mike Davis
                                        last edited by

                                        @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                        Ah, so it wasn't that it didn't save them, it was that it was corrupted because it was holding the file open when the power went out? that's at least more acceptable.

                                        yes, At first it wouldn't open. Then we ran the file dr and it would open, but there was some odd stuff like a customer had two entries, with old transactions tied to one entry and one new transaction tied to another entry. A few of the basic reports wouldn't even run.

                                        Oh... financial data that isn't accurate. Good job QB.

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                                        • gjacobseG
                                          gjacobse
                                          last edited by

                                          Like data back ups, a ups is only as good as the last successful run time test.

                                          Batteries do fail, so of course plan to check and monitor them -

                                          I have nine ups units, nearly half aren't monitored,... I need to work up the rPi project ....

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                                          • EddieJenningsE
                                            EddieJennings @Mike Davis
                                            last edited by

                                            @Mike-Davis said in preferred UPS for desktop computer:

                                            @scottalanmiller I totally agree with you. QuickBooks is way behind the times and I hate supporting it. Can you recommend something for a manufacturing company that is better designed, is easy to use, has support, and will either export to QuickBooks or be easy for their accountant to use? They also have some we plug ins for their web sales ( I think woo commerce IIRC) and another program that prints shipping labels. This is for a company with about 5 people that would use the system at a time.

                                            Is it worse than supporting Sage?

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