Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon
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@scottalanmiller Xero doesn't even allow for dates for line items:
https://community.xero.com/business/discussion/78931That request was from 2012...it's 2017 and they still haven't implemented it. As much as I hate QuickBooks Xero is far behind.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller You have Premiere Pro CC on Linux? What about Illustrator? Photoshop? That's what everyone uses...at least professionally. I haven't met a single professional running open source software to do video editing. Never.
I have, we have one here where I work.
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@scottalanmiller My point is that linux isn't for everyone. Neither is OSX. Neither is Windows. You seem to be arguing that most people could or should be running Linux. My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
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@DustinB3403 I'm not saying that no professional has ever used open source software to cut video - I'm saying that no organization that specializes in video editing/production is running anything other than the following:
Avid, PP CC, Final Cut 7 or X, or Davinci Resolve, Edius, or Sony Vegas (very few..more consumer based.) -
@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@DustinB3403 I'm not saying that no professional has ever used open source software to cut video - I'm saying that no organization that specializes in video editing/production is running anything other than the following:
Avid, PP CC, Final Cut 7 or X, or Davinci Resolve, Edius, or Sony Vegas (very view..more consumer based.)Clearly you are wrong here then. . .
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@DustinB3403 So tell me more about your setup then. What's your post production workflow look like.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller My point is that linux isn't for everyone. Neither is OSX. Neither is Windows. You seem to be arguing that most people could or should be running Linux. My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
No one runs Linux. People use Cent OS, RedHat, Ubuntu, Mint, Korora etc.
Use the correct terminology please.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@DustinB3403 So tell me more about your setup then. What's your post production workflow look like.
I'm not involved in the system at all, but I know we have a linux box for 3D design, and video work we do.
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@DustinB3403 Dude...I've been using Ubuntu through this entire thread. Instead of saying Linux...I'll just say ALL the operating systems that run on the Linux Kernel.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@DustinB3403 Dude...I've been using Ubuntu through this entire thread. Instead of saying Linux...I'll just say ALL the operating systems that run on the Linux Kernel.
Just say you're using Ubuntu then.
I'm on a Windows 10 Pro desktop, but you don't see me saying I'm usint NT6
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@DustinB3403 What does your company do? Is it strictly post?
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller Since I'm a one man show I'm guessing I handle a bigger variety of tasks than you do working for someone else. I handle graphic design/marketing/accounting/etc. All of these types of Apps - guess what - don't run on Linux.
You are joking right? The largest accounting/finance systems run on Linux.
If "what professionals use" is the metric then Quickbooks is the furthest away possible.
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@stacksofplates Of course there are examples where certain apps run on Linux. That doesn't need to be said. Which accounting software are you referring to BTW?
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
What about QuickBooks?
The accountants use it here, and I can't stand it. Intuit makes a habit of lying to my face while I'm quoting their own documentation to them.
I got my start as and admin for things like PRO-E, IDEAS, CATIA, and Medusa. All of them ran on IRIX/OpenVMS at the time. PRO-E was the first thing they got in that had an option to run on a Windows platform, but was still available for just about every modern OS.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates Of course there are examples where certain apps run on Linux. That doesn't need to be said. Which accounting software are you referring to BTW?
If we are talking "the biggest" then I assume SAP and Oracle. MS is even moving many of their most critical workloads to Linux. That will take a while, though.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller Xero doesn't even allow for dates for line items:
https://community.xero.com/business/discussion/78931That request was from 2012...it's 2017 and they still haven't implemented it. As much as I hate QuickBooks Xero is far behind.
Largest accounting office in Manhattan claims exactly the opposite. They recommend Xero and state quite clearly that QB is just for companies that don't know any better. They support it, of course, because there is loads of money is supporting bad things.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@stacksofplates Of course there are examples where certain apps run on Linux. That doesn't need to be said. Which accounting software are you referring to BTW?
Mostly referencing SAP and Oracle but this doesn't include platform agnostic tools that are completely web based like Sage, Freshbooks, Odoo, and whatever other slew of web based accounting/ERP systems.
And if you have to use it, Quickbooks has their hosted version that's not nearly as bad as the on prem version.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller My point is that linux isn't for everyone. Neither is OSX. Neither is Windows. You seem to be arguing that most people could or should be running Linux. My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
That's not really the point, though. The discussion was about confused end users who were struggling to identify their operating system and what would be an option for a grandparent who had extremely limited needs and needed something reliable and easy to use that would be easy to support.
Scroll back, I never claimed that Linux was the only answer for them, but only that it was the best one most of the time. All talk of any creative application, accounting, business tools, IT tools and so forth is all red herrings - it's not part of the conversation that we were having. I dont' know why they are being discussed, but they are not related to the topic at hand.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
I don't know anyone that uses that, literally. I did long ago, but even the grandparent types seem to have finally listened to people telling them to stop doing this. I don't know why people use it still, but I know that Chromebooks have some tools for doing iPhone backups today.
Since my family uses Chromebooks and iPhones and backs them up to them, I assume that it works rather well. Nothing something that I do, so I can't speak to it. But there are definitely Linux iTunes style options for supporting iPhones to some degree out there.
But I can't say if they do the things that people using iTunes today would want them to do.
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Why is Photoshop always the scapegoat? We have software that does CFD solves (with millions of nodes and each having millions of degrees of freedom) that take months to run over compute clusters. It also does really high end 3D modeling and costs about $70K per seat. But sure you can't run the worst accounting software ever created or a fancier version of MS Paint.
