Mastodon
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@Minion-Queen said in Mastodon:
Things that I have to consider:
Too many places for things to go = waste of time for me.
Too many places for people to discuss things = waste of traffic for me
A place that is likely to remain only ML people for the foreseeable future = who cares you have ML to post in your aren't going to repost threads for someone else to look at when they are already here to look at them.This is the same for any Social media platform.
Think about how twitter is used, and apply that here. Because that is what Mastodon is doing right now, competing with Twitter.
Twitter does not contain "content." Instead it typically links to content, along with an opinion about said content.
And remember, only the address of the person is likely to remain ML only people. The social network itself is still a full and open social network where people can follow whomever they want. They just need the other party's address.
Those are simply longer thing than twitter.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@Minion-Queen said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@Minion-Queen said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@Minion-Queen said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@Minion-Queen said in Mastodon:
Yeah keep the content here on ML not somewhere else.
Content here, but toot there....
What? It is called tooting.
Sorry doing too many things at once. Yes I know. Debating the Social Media and Posting results for having our own server on this.
The entire thing is open to all and people will simply follow as they do on twtter, it is not like your own server will have less access to an audience than any other server
And yes I do know that it is open for people to join and use. However who is going to actually join and use a server specifically for an online community.
A failing I see here is TOO many servers and what is the real possibility of something other than another time suck for no real return.
That's the big thing. Just a way to offload the traffic from something marginally valuable to something more costly and not valuable. No benefit to the community, in fact quite a bit of negative - sending people to different places for a single thing. And it isn't like the two could be reasonably tied together, so anyone could make an account and pretend to be someone else, for example.
No, you are not trying to offload the traffic.
That is the point you all are confused about. It is not a community or blog or place with content. It is twitter. See my previous post.
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@scottalanmiller it is not even a replacement for Telegram. it is not semi private or private chat rooms. it is a public social network for short messages.
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Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
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@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
hehe you said "I toot"
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@stacksofplates said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
hehe you said "I toot"
That is what it is called. I assume because a Mastodon has a trunk.
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Better information on the project is on the wiki page.
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@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
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@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller it is not even a replacement for Telegram. it is not semi private or private chat rooms. it is a public social network for short messages.
Right, it would be more like giving everyone their own dedicated MangoLassi Twitter accounts individually. I mean, that's not a bad thing and it IS interesting. We could have a large "Twitter-like" platform for IT pros to toot about IT stuff. I could see value there, but seems unlikely to work out well. If we had enough people producing enough toots, yeah, it could be cool. But it would take a LOT to make it really work.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller it is not even a replacement for Telegram. it is not semi private or private chat rooms. it is a public social network for short messages.
Right, it would be more like giving everyone their own dedicated MangoLassi Twitter accounts individually. I mean, that's not a bad thing and it IS interesting. We could have a large "Twitter-like" platform for IT pros to toot about IT stuff. I could see value there, but seems unlikely to work out well. If we had enough people producing enough toots, yeah, it could be cool. But it would take a LOT to make it really work.
But it is not a platform only for IT pros unless you restrict the instance to no feed the public timeline. Each instance operator does have that choice of course, so there can be private instances.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public feed. I have no idea how to view it at this point without a client installed or account on an instance.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public stream API, but I don't know of a website that shows it. I use Tusky on Android and can reach it from there.
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@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller it is not even a replacement for Telegram. it is not semi private or private chat rooms. it is a public social network for short messages.
Right, it would be more like giving everyone their own dedicated MangoLassi Twitter accounts individually. I mean, that's not a bad thing and it IS interesting. We could have a large "Twitter-like" platform for IT pros to toot about IT stuff. I could see value there, but seems unlikely to work out well. If we had enough people producing enough toots, yeah, it could be cool. But it would take a LOT to make it really work.
But it is not a platform only for IT pros unless you restrict the instance to no feed the public timeline. Each instance operator does have that choice of course, so there can be private instances.
I mean you can restrict the sign ups to only IT pro if you want for social.mangolassi.it instance, but that is your call as an instance operator.
Just like mastodon.social restricts content based on German and French law (nazi symbolism, etc.).
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@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public feed. I have no idea how to view it at this point without a client installed or account on an instance.
That's what I mean. I'm sure there is a way, but like is Google checking in on the status or is it hidden away (not in a secure way) that makes it essentially not open to the public. Twitter is very open for anyone to see.
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@aidan_walsh said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public stream API, but I don't know of a website that shows it. I use Tusky on Android and can reach it from there.
So, in theory, we could MAKE a new site that would display it. Not a horrible idea, but not ideal either.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@aidan_walsh said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public stream API, but I don't know of a website that shows it. I use Tusky on Android and can reach it from there.
So, in theory, we could MAKE a new site that would display it. Not a horrible idea, but not ideal either.
No one just goes to twitter.com to get information.
Either they go to their own feed to view things, or they go to something someone linked them like twitter.com/sorvani or twitter.com/someceleb or twitter.com/somehashtag.
So for that second case, some type of public search feed will be useful and it will certainly exist soon if not already (and we just do not know a link).
But I do not see your hangup on this point.
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@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@aidan_walsh said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public stream API, but I don't know of a website that shows it. I use Tusky on Android and can reach it from there.
So, in theory, we could MAKE a new site that would display it. Not a horrible idea, but not ideal either.
No one just goes to twitter.com to get information.
Either they go to their own feed to view things, or they go to something someone linked them like twitter.com/sorvani or twitter.com/someceleb or twitter.com/somehashtag.
So for that second case, some type of public search feed will be useful and it will certainly exist soon if not already (and we just do not know a link).
But I do not see your hangup on this point.
My point is that with Twitter, if I want to see a feed of "everything", I just go to Twitter.com. This isn't popular, but Twitter is "the whole world". But in this case it would just be ML people, so I think that a feed would be the most popular place to go, especially as the traffic would be so low that it would be the only way to see anything interesting. Going directly to individual people is okay, if there is a Twitter-like page for doing so.
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@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@aidan_walsh said in Mastodon:
@scottalanmiller said in Mastodon:
@JaredBusch said in Mastodon:
Obviously the chicken and egg question comes in from a marketing point of view.
Who will see anything I toot out? But Twitter had the same stigma until it hit some critical mass of popularity.
Very true. So far, not sure how to even find toots on a Mastodon system if I'm not signed onto one. Anyone seen a public stream anywhere?
There is a public stream API, but I don't know of a website that shows it. I use Tusky on Android and can reach it from there.
So, in theory, we could MAKE a new site that would display it. Not a horrible idea, but not ideal either.
No one just goes to twitter.com to get information.
Either they go to their own feed to view things, or they go to something someone linked them like twitter.com/sorvani or twitter.com/someceleb or twitter.com/somehashtag.
So for that second case, some type of public search feed will be useful and it will certainly exist soon if not already (and we just do not know a link).
But I do not see your hangup on this point.
My point is that with Twitter, if I want to see a feed of "everything", I just go to Twitter.com. This isn't popular, but Twitter is "the whole world". But in this case it would just be ML people, so I think that a feed would be the most popular place to go, especially as the traffic would be so low that it would be the only way to see anything interesting. Going directly to individual people is okay, if there is a Twitter-like page for doing so.
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@scottalanmiller The entire project just kicked off last October.
