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    • IRJI
      IRJ @Dashrender
      last edited by IRJ

      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

      IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

      But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

      It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @IRJ
        last edited by

        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

        IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

        But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

        It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that are aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

        FTFY.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @IRJ
          last edited by

          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

          IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

          But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

          It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

          Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ
            last edited by

            We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

            Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

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            • IRJI
              IRJ @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

              @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

              @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

              IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

              But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

              It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

              Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

              You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @IRJ
                last edited by

                @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

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                • IRJI
                  IRJ @Dashrender
                  last edited by

                  @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                  @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                  We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                  Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                  So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                  Data

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @IRJ
                    last edited by

                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                    IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                    But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                    It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                    Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                    You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                    Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

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                    • IRJI
                      IRJ @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                      We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                      Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                      So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                      You could use the same server for files and printing if you had to do so, but DCs should be on their own server.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @IRJ
                        last edited by

                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                        We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                        Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                        So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                        Data

                        How where you syncing the data?

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                        • IRJI
                          IRJ @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                          Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                          So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                          Data

                          How where you syncing the data?

                          DFS

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                            @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                            @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                            @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                            @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                            IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                            But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                            It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                            Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                            You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                            Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

                            Right, for most SMB that is a waste of money. This is why SBS was so hugely popular.

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @IRJ
                              last edited by

                              @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                              Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                              So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                              Data

                              How where you syncing the data?

                              DFS

                              and that didn't require a change to the end users? configurations? i.e. drive mappings?

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @Dashrender
                                last edited by

                                @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                Data

                                How where you syncing the data?

                                DFS

                                and that didn't require a change to the end users? configurations? i.e. drive mappings?

                                not if they were not using it as he said they were not until the server died.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                  Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                  So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                  Data

                                  How where you syncing the data?

                                  DFS

                                  and that didn't require a change to the end users? configurations? i.e. drive mappings?

                                  not if they were not using it as he said they were not until the server died.

                                  I haven't used DFS before - so I don't know how the setup works.

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                                  • IRJI
                                    IRJ @JaredBusch
                                    last edited by

                                    @JaredBusch said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                                    But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                                    It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                                    Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                                    You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                                    Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

                                    Right, for most SMB that is a waste of money. This is why SBS was so hugely popular.

                                    I disagree. If a server is just a DC, you are less likely to run into any issues. It is also a waste of resources since you can run a DC on 512mb of Ram on Windows 2012 core.

                                    You will use less resources, and be more effecient if you have 3 servers separated instead of 3 functions rolled up into one server. Troubleshooting also becomes much easier if you only have one function.

                                    I can agree to disagree and I see your reasoning. However, I cannot personally recommend this to anyone.

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                                    • IRJI
                                      IRJ @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                      Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                      So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                      Data

                                      How where you syncing the data?

                                      DFS

                                      and that didn't require a change to the end users? configurations? i.e. drive mappings?

                                      not if they were not using it as he said they were not until the server died.

                                      I haven't used DFS before - so I don't know how the setup works.

                                      DFS is pretty cool. The user drives were mirrored on both servers. If I made a change to my user drive on Server A, then it was replicated to Server B within 3 seconds or so.

                                      Before you turn on DFS you need to do a robocopy so DFS is panicking to catch up and only has to send small changes.

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @IRJ
                                        last edited by

                                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                                        But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                                        It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                                        Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                                        You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                                        Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

                                        Right, for most SMB that is a waste of money. This is why SBS was so hugely popular.

                                        I disagree. If a server is just a DC, you are less likely to run into any issues. It is also a waste of resources since you can run a DC on 512mb of Ram on Windows 2012 core.

                                        You will use less resources, and be more effecient if you have 3 servers separated instead of 3 functions rolled up into one server. Troubleshooting also becomes much easier if you only have one function.

                                        I can agree to disagree and I see your reasoning. However, I cannot personally recommend this to anyone.

                                        I will certainly not disagree with you from a technical point of view. Also, now that SBS no longer exists, I too would not recommend setting everything up on one.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @IRJ
                                          last edited by

                                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                                          But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                                          It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                                          Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                                          You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                                          Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

                                          Right, for most SMB that is a waste of money. This is why SBS was so hugely popular.

                                          I disagree. If a server is just a DC, you are less likely to run into any issues. It is also a waste of resources since you can run a DC on 512mb of Ram on Windows 2012 core.

                                          You will use less resources, and be more effecient if you have 3 servers separated instead of 3 functions rolled up into one server. Troubleshooting also becomes much easier if you only have one function.

                                          I can agree to disagree and I see your reasoning. However, I cannot personally recommend this to anyone.

                                          I absolutely hear what you are saying, and you have great points - but there is almost no value gain in spending another $800+ for a second Windows Server license so you can have a third VM. In a very small business MS sells Windows Server 2012 R2 Foundation, it does not grant a company more than one VM license. It also precludes the need for user or device CALs. In this case, I think it's completely reasonable to have AD/DNS/DHCP/File/Print all on one box. Personally I'll agree that Exchange should have never been on there, but even Exchange used to be part of that package (but then that package did have user/device CALs).

                                          Now if you go with Server Standard and user/device CALs, then I'd go with two VMs, VM1 = AD/DNS/DHCP, VM2 = anything else. The extra cost to split file and print servers over two VMs will almost never pay for itself in an small company.

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                                          • coliverC
                                            coliver
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                                            This is off topic but in response to @Dashrender why would you run Windows Server at all if you can't license it to meet best practices? If you can't afford $800 for a Server Standard license (for the two VM license) then you shouldn't have in house IT staff or on-site servers to begin with.

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