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    • IRJI
      IRJ @prcssupport
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      @prcssupport said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

      Everything at the beginning was virtual and server 2003, the owner demanded an all physical design. He was 100% against all cloud.

      Is he paying you to do exactly what he says or is he paying you for your IT knowledge?

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      • IRJI
        IRJ @prcssupport
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        @prcssupport said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

        They all desk jump and will use a different workspace multple times during the day.

        But they desktops were never exactly the same and data was always somewhere on another system. So it sped them up once I gave them roaming profiles.

        Sounds like they aren't properly licensing their software. I can't think of another reason to jump workstations throughout the day. They may initially save money, but all that desk jumping is going to cost them in the long run. More IT tickets and less productivity

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
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          I've V2V'd one of our DC's (it was also our on-site exchange) it was rather painless once it was understood on the process to get it done.

          Disable AD replication functions, export and import into it's new home. I would imagine the same thing would have to occur with a physical.

          Disable the AD functions, P2V and import.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

            I've V2V'd one of our DC's (it was also our on-site exchange) it was rather painless once it was understood on the process to get it done.

            Disable AD replication functions, export and import into it's new home. I would imagine the same thing would have to occur with a physical.

            Disable the AD functions, P2V and import.

            I don't get the DC P2V mentality. It is 10x quicker and less risky to build a new DC with the latest OS and transfer the roles.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @IRJ
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              @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

              @DustinB3403 said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

              I've V2V'd one of our DC's (it was also our on-site exchange) it was rather painless once it was understood on the process to get it done.

              Disable AD replication functions, export and import into it's new home. I would imagine the same thing would have to occur with a physical.

              Disable the AD functions, P2V and import.

              I don't get the DC P2V mentality. It is 10x quicker and less risky to build a new DC with the latest OS and transfer the roles.

              In this case (and I wasn't the decider on it) because of ADFS, and everything involved with it, it was cheaper to have me migrate the system into XS, than to pay our MSP to build a new one.

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender
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                IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

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                • IRJI
                  IRJ @Dashrender
                  last edited by IRJ

                  @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                  IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                  But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                  It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403 @IRJ
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                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                    IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                    But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                    It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that are aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                    FTFY.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @IRJ
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                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                      IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                      But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                      It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                      Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

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                      • IRJI
                        IRJ
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                        We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                        Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

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                        • IRJI
                          IRJ @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                          IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                          But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                          It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                          Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                          You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

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                          • DashrenderD
                            Dashrender @IRJ
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                            @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                            We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                            Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                            So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

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                            • IRJI
                              IRJ @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                              We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                              Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                              So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                              Data

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @IRJ
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                                @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                                But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                                It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                                Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                                You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                                Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

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                                • IRJI
                                  IRJ @Dashrender
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                                  @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                  We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                  Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                  So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                  You could use the same server for files and printing if you had to do so, but DCs should be on their own server.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @IRJ
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                                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                    We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                    Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                    So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                    Data

                                    How where you syncing the data?

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                                    • IRJI
                                      IRJ @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                      We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                      Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                      So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                      Data

                                      How where you syncing the data?

                                      DFS

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                                      • JaredBuschJ
                                        JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                        IRJ's point was that P2Ving a DC is kinda a waste of time.

                                        But, if you have a bunch of shares/data on it, it might just be easier to P2V versus building a new one, changing all drive mappings, etc.

                                        It's a good chance to get rid of files shares and other things that aren't supposed to be on a DC. 😛

                                        Well, I don't know about you, I don't have tons of Windows licenses hanging around so I can stand up a file/print only server.

                                        You should have a license for every function. We are talking about critical business functions here. AD, printing, and file sharing.

                                        Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with that for most SMBs.

                                        Right, for most SMB that is a waste of money. This is why SBS was so hugely popular.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @IRJ
                                          last edited by

                                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                          We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                          Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                          So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                          Data

                                          How where you syncing the data?

                                          DFS

                                          and that didn't require a change to the end users? configurations? i.e. drive mappings?

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                            @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                            @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                            @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                            @Dashrender said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                            @IRJ said in Upcoming Job couple thoughts on DC demotion:

                                            We had a DC that P2V when I started working here. It had all major file shares, printers, etc off it. The first thing I did was build a new DC and transfer the roles. The next thing I did was build a new print server and take away printer services from it. The next thing I did was migrated the file shares to a new file server.

                                            Even though I mirrored everything to the new file server, people will still accessing the old server and I didnt really have the suppport of the rest of the IT department. Until one day when the old server died and all we had to do was a DNS redirect. I was a hero 🙂

                                            So your data was on both servers? or the printers were?

                                            Data

                                            How where you syncing the data?

                                            DFS

                                            and that didn't require a change to the end users? configurations? i.e. drive mappings?

                                            not if they were not using it as he said they were not until the server died.

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