What Are You Doing Right Now
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
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@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm busy trying to hack the admin account back into some software that we use... Some doofus [note: I was not the doofus this time...] deleted it... Whoops!
They DELETED it? The software let them remove all admins?
There's still one admin account, lol. I just can't get access to it because I don't know the password and the guy is unavailable.
Ha ha. Reset it!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it. Or actually don't know the difference. Micron in this case is a RAM manufacturer so if they came out and said "Hey it might only take 4GB to run a virtual environment" they'd be losing even more money up front.
Even if it were 100% accurate.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it.
Right... back to thinking we are idiots.
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Feeling sick and want to go home!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm busy trying to hack the admin account back into some software that we use... Some doofus [note: I was not the doofus this time...] deleted it... Whoops!
They DELETED it? The software let them remove all admins?
There's still one admin account, lol. I just can't get access to it because I don't know the password and the guy is unavailable.
Ha ha. Reset it!
The thought has definitely crossed my mind. Boss wants me to try to get access to the 'admin' account rather than hijacking the user's admin account if we can... so I gotta try that first.
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Although the part that I find completely laughable (outside of what you've mentioned is this line here)
This means that literally 50% of all "IT Pros" in the survey are providing at least 64GB of RAM to a Virtual machine.
Come on I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night!
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it. Or actually don't know the difference. Micron in this case is a RAM manufacturer so if they came out and said "Hey it might only take 4GB to run a virtual environment" they'd be losing even more money up front.
Even if it were 100% accurate.
Micron had a funny, "trying to be helpful" how-to post on FB. How to fix a slow computer. Guess what the answer was? "Buy an SSD and more RAM... hey, we make both those things! Whaddyaknow!"
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it. Or actually don't know the difference. Micron in this case is a RAM manufacturer so if they came out and said "Hey it might only take 4GB to run a virtual environment" they'd be losing even more money up front.
Even if it were 100% accurate.
Micron had a funny, "trying to be helpful" how-to post on FB. How to fix a slow computer. Guess what the answer was? "Buy an SSD and more RAM... hey, we make both those things! Whaddyaknow!"
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Guy claims his auditors indemnify him and he has no culpability for not being PCI compliant. While violating every PCI requirement that we can determine remotely...
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1784629-starting-from-scratch
He definitely held to that belief. He stated in his last post they use a POTS line, and credit card swiper. Don't know what's on that server, but seems like they are paying trustwave for an unneeded service (if I recall)
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@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it. Or actually don't know the difference. Micron in this case is a RAM manufacturer so if they came out and said "Hey it might only take 4GB to run a virtual environment" they'd be losing even more money up front.
Even if it were 100% accurate.
Micron had a funny, "trying to be helpful" how-to post on FB. How to fix a slow computer. Guess what the answer was? "Buy an SSD and more RAM... hey, we make both those things! Whaddyaknow!"
At least those are normally good ways to actually accomplish that goal.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@RojoLoco said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it. Or actually don't know the difference. Micron in this case is a RAM manufacturer so if they came out and said "Hey it might only take 4GB to run a virtual environment" they'd be losing even more money up front.
Even if it were 100% accurate.
Micron had a funny, "trying to be helpful" how-to post on FB. How to fix a slow computer. Guess what the answer was? "Buy an SSD and more RAM... hey, we make both those things! Whaddyaknow!"
At least those are normally good ways to actually accomplish that goal.
True, but only because the average FB user is an idiot. They insist on treating IT pros (well, SW users) the same way.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Why do companies insist on polls for things that are not opinion pieces, but have an obvious technical answer, that just make everyone involved look like an idiot. Anyone that answered this poll obvious doesn't understand the question, right?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1788367-how-much-ram-is-needed-for-virtualization
haha... does SW just constantly send you nasty-grams for picking on vendors?
I feel like they must...
LOL, no, actually they don't. This is definitely a vendor shooting themselves in the foot. How dumb do they think the community is?
I don't believe they actually think about the audiences intelligence at all, they are just looking for a way to creating marketing material, that at a glance would keep someone's attention to the point of finding the vendors name.
Finding the vendor's name to say... "these people are idiots and don't know IT and will say anything to make a sale."
Pretty much, the end game for everyone (NTG included) is to make money to continue on wards. If they insult someone's intelligence doing it, they don't care. So long as they've made a sale off of the marketing campaign.
But they can LOSE sales, too.
Of course, but they are taking the odds that most people just don't care to notice it.
Right... back to thinking we are idiots.
I feel like the whole idea of the post (not having read the link) is that make people think that a VM server needs to have at lest 64 GB of RAM installed, but more likely should have 128 GB of RAM from the start, because uh well, yeah, because those who have VM servers almost always use that much, so why would you want to be behind?
It's dumb.
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@Dashrender that would be fine if the material was talking about the host hardware, not specifically calling out VM's stats as they do.
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Cool.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender that would be fine if the material was talking about the host hardware, not specifically calling out VM's stats as they do.
Why would that be fine? You're right about the host vs VM but that even doesn't matter. This is a stupid question. As Scott said, the only thing that matters is what the VM NEEDS and what he hypervisor NEEDS.
So simply saying that most or all VM hosts have 64+ GB of RAM in general is like, SO WHAT? If I don't plan to install something that needs that much RAM, why buy it? If only need 12 for my process, don't plan to ever put anything more on this server, then I install 16 GB of RAM to cover the hypervisor and the vm.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender that would be fine if the material was talking about the host hardware, not specifically calling out VM's stats as they do.
Why would that be fine? You're right about the host vs VM but that even doesn't matter. This is a stupid question. As Scott said, the only thing that matters is what the VM NEEDS and what he hypervisor NEEDS.
So simply saying that most or all VM hosts have 64+ GB of RAM in general is like, SO WHAT? If I don't plan to install something that needs that much RAM, why buy it? If only need 12 for my process, don't plan to ever put anything more on this server, then I install 16 GB of RAM to cover the hypervisor and the vm.
Oh I get it, I do, the marketing piece as a whole is still bad.
But the only way that it might make sense is if the marketing material said "How much RAM do most virtualization host have, according to our poll it's 64GB, find how how much you need"
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender that would be fine if the material was talking about the host hardware, not specifically calling out VM's stats as they do.
Why would that be fine? You're right about the host vs VM but that even doesn't matter. This is a stupid question. As Scott said, the only thing that matters is what the VM NEEDS and what he hypervisor NEEDS.
So simply saying that most or all VM hosts have 64+ GB of RAM in general is like, SO WHAT? If I don't plan to install something that needs that much RAM, why buy it? If only need 12 for my process, don't plan to ever put anything more on this server, then I install 16 GB of RAM to cover the hypervisor and the vm.
Oh I get it, I do, the marketing piece as a whole is still bad.
But the only way that it might make sense is if the marketing material said "How much RAM do most virtualization host have, according to our poll it's 64GB, find how how much you need"
This entire conversation is just making me think "How did they ask that question in order to get that answer?" I give most of my VMs way to much memory, and I only give em 512MB. Of course I'm one of those CentOS minimalist types.
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I'm of the mind set start small and add to it if performance is bad...
Edit: I had a web server than runs a web-based IDE (called Codiad) and it ran like crap on 512 megs of ram. I upped it to 1gb and it runs great!
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About to install a clean Zabbix 3.0.4 on CentOS7 including Firewalld
ready to start exploring the power of it and monitoring VM's and other critical stuff
