It's a turrible day. Just turrible!
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
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@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
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@BBigford said
Anyone else doing something they don't want to do lately? Anything goes...
Returning to work today after vacation 100% counts.
Honestly though today has been awesome so I really can't complain too much
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
It would put the company I work for in a bad spot should someone run across this thread.
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
I could discuss it, but if the company got in trouble and it linked back to me leaking the information, I'd lose my job. Pretty harsh state to work in if you work in the private sector. You can get fired for anything here.
It really comes down to poor ethics over a decade. I have been here since August and we finally got things on a more ethical level.
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@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
I could discuss it, but if the company got in trouble and it linked back to me leaking the information, I'd lose my job. Pretty harsh state to work in if you work in the private sector. You can get fired for anything here.
It really comes down to poor ethics over a decade. I have been here since August and we finally got things on a more ethical level.
Bet that feels good!
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@MattSpeller said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
I could discuss it, but if the company got in trouble and it linked back to me leaking the information, I'd lose my job. Pretty harsh state to work in if you work in the private sector. You can get fired for anything here.
It really comes down to poor ethics over a decade. I have been here since August and we finally got things on a more ethical level.
Bet that feels good!
Sorry, no. It's more of a wash than feeling bad or good.
The compromise was to purchase Skype for Business after I had setup RocketChat & OpenFire inside of a week. That got shut down in about 10 seconds after it was decided we'd use SfB. Two of us threatened to quit if they didn't make a move, just so happened that that move was toward SfB.
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Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
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@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
I could discuss it, but if the company got in trouble and it linked back to me leaking the information, I'd lose my job. Pretty harsh state to work in if you work in the private sector. You can get fired for anything here.
It really comes down to poor ethics over a decade. I have been here since August and we finally got things on a more ethical level.
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Migrated away from what?
I cannot legally discuss that part...
can you discuss why you can't discuss it?
I could discuss it, but if the company got in trouble and it linked back to me leaking the information, I'd lose my job. Pretty harsh state to work in if you work in the private sector. You can get fired for anything here.
It really comes down to poor ethics over a decade. I have been here since August and we finally got things on a more ethical level.
Well that sounds like a good thing.
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@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
So we can learn from your experience - what was the driver to go to SfB? Did anyone stop to read a review of it? EEeeuuuuggghhhhhhhhhhh
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@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
do you only need a chat client?
OK I see what you're saying here. yeah a customer of mine a long time ago was illegally using Office. I told them that they had to buy 10+ copies of Office or my company would no longer support them. I'm sure they read between the lines that an audit would be coming too. They quickly, though complainingly, pulled out the checkbook.
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@MattSpeller said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
So we can learn from your experience - what was the driver to go to SfB? Did anyone stop to read a review of it? EEeeuuuuggghhhhhhhhhhh
Oh no we had a long conversation about it. I kept saying "it's an absolutely awful product. Buying Skype for Business will not undo what has been done in the last 10 years. We can't correct that situation short of <omitted>, except the legal department says we can't even do that because we would admit fault."
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@MattSpeller said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
So we can learn from your experience - what was the driver to go to SfB? Did anyone stop to read a review of it? EEeeuuuuggghhhhhhhhhhh
But in the end, it was decided we can't undo what they did for a decade, but we can start doing the right thing. I am completely against SfB.
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
do you only need a chat client?
OK I see what you're saying here. yeah a customer of mine a long time ago was illegally using Office. I told them that they had to buy 10+ copies of Office or my company would no longer support them. I'm sure they read between the lines that an audit would be coming too. They quickly, though complainingly, pulled out the checkbook.
Good on you. I quit a job because we were distributing bootleg copies of Office, out of the repair shop!!! I had one come back and I said "hey $owner, I removed a pirated copy from so-and-so's machine. They need to purchase a copy, so if you'd include that on the quote please."
$owner: What?! Put that back on!
Me: It was throwing errors that it was pirated. We can't support pirated software.
$owner: I put that on there, just run the activation that is out on the NAS.
Me: YOU HAVE AN ILLEGAL ACTIVATOR ON THE NETWORK??? That puts at more of a risk during an audit!!!
I ended up quitting.
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
do you only need a chat client?
OK I see what you're saying here. yeah a customer of mine a long time ago was illegally using Office. I told them that they had to buy 10+ copies of Office or my company would no longer support them. I'm sure they read between the lines that an audit would be coming too. They quickly, though complainingly, pulled out the checkbook.
Just a chat client 95% of the time... the other 5% is made up of screen sharing (can use other software for that though) and 1% doing video/voice conferencing.
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@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@MattSpeller said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
So we can learn from your experience - what was the driver to go to SfB? Did anyone stop to read a review of it? EEeeuuuuggghhhhhhhhhhh
Oh no we had a long conversation about it. I kept saying "it's an absolutely awful product. Buying Skype for Business will not undo what has been done in the last 10 years. We can't correct that situation short of <omitted>, except the legal department says we can't even do that because we would admit fault."
Leaving Lync would admit fault? WTF? How do they come to that logic? So what, they are saying that no one has ever left Lync/SfB because they were crappy products? lol sigh. feel for ya bro.
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@MattSpeller said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
So we can learn from your experience - what was the driver to go to SfB? Did anyone stop to read a review of it? EEeeuuuuggghhhhhhhhhhh
Oh no we had a long conversation about it. I kept saying "it's an absolutely awful product. Buying Skype for Business will not undo what has been done in the last 10 years. We can't correct that situation short of <omitted>, except the legal department says we can't even do that because we would admit fault."
Leaving Lync would admit fault? WTF? How do they come to that logic? So what, they are saying that no one has ever left Lync/SfB because they were crappy products? lol sigh. feel for ya bro.
No no, not leaving Lync would admit fault. Never said anything along those lines as that wouldn't even make sense. You're going in the wrong direction with that thought. I can't say what would admit fault for something.
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@MattSpeller said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
So we can learn from your experience - what was the driver to go to SfB? Did anyone stop to read a review of it? EEeeuuuuggghhhhhhhhhhh
Oh no we had a long conversation about it. I kept saying "it's an absolutely awful product. Buying Skype for Business will not undo what has been done in the last 10 years. We can't correct that situation short of <omitted>, except the legal department says we can't even do that because we would admit fault."
Leaving Lync would admit fault? WTF? How do they come to that logic? So what, they are saying that no one has ever left Lync/SfB because they were crappy products? lol sigh. feel for ya bro.
When I quit some day, I can probably talk about what happened. All I can say is we are fully compliant with all terms and conditions regarding any software on the network. Not sure if its too little too late for me to want to stay... I'm undecided.
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It's probably worth noting that 1/3 of the management that were making those decisions are no longer employed with the company. Not because of those decisions, they left on their own regard for other reasons.
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@Dashrender said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
@BBigford said in It's a turrible day. Just turrible!:
Either OpenFire or RocketChat would have worked out great. Way better than SfB in fact.
do you only need a chat client?
OK I see what you're saying here. yeah a customer of mine a long time ago was illegally using Office. I told them that they had to buy 10+ copies of Office or my company would no longer support them. I'm sure they read between the lines that an audit would be coming too. They quickly, though complainingly, pulled out the checkbook.
See I just couldn't allow that to happen. I have pirated software when I was younger and dumber. I guess as you get older you get a little more ethical and think of the repercussions... Would it really be worth it if you got hit with an enormous fine? No, probably not. It could drive someone into financial issues, and with kids that is just dumb (I don't have kids though).
If someone else wants to pirate software, go for it, do it at your own risk, and not on my network. If my work decides to run pirated software, they would run the risk of getting audited, and shut down if the fines got high enough. It wouldn't be the first time I or anyone in my department has saw Microsoft come in and say during an audit "Ok so we're going to start this fine off at $XM because of these issues, and by the end of it we're going to own your company." Saw quite a few places go under because of deliberate licensing infractions.
If I'm investing my time, effort, and future into a company who deliberately takes those actions and jeopardizes my future... then I'm moving on down the road with my finger in the air. I have zero tolerance and zero respect for those kinds of operations.
