Ubiquiti Switches
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
Seems like they are a good middle ground for SMBs who need higher level equipment at a lower price
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
Seems like they are a good middle ground for SMBs who need higher level equipment at a lower price
Yes, they are going after the space that Netgear ProSafe used to have and doing it even better. Netgear still has switching options that UBNT does not (yet.) But UBNT has much higher end APs, at lower prices, with a broader lineup than Prosafe. And UBNT has enterprise routers rather than SMB all in ones like Prosafe. Netgear left the serious AP and router market many years ago leaving switching and their ReadyNAS storage as their key business products. UBNT has stepped into the vacuum and makes the AP and routing products that Netgear should always have made. And the two compete in the switching space.
UBNT also glommed onto the Meraki model of cloud management and went after them as well. So UBNT has fallen into a spot where they are displacing Netgear and Cisco heavily and Meraki completely.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
But if Ubiquiti make great switches & APs, why not do both @Carnival-Boy ?
The HP switches are "Ok" they are not bad or good. They just work. So this is a tester but if they do everything needed, why not.
No reason. I'm not saying don't get them, I'm just wondering why you picked them as opposed to the UK's more popular switches? Is there any specific thing you're after, or is it just a "why not?" kind of strategy (and there's nothing wrong with that).
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
But if Ubiquiti make great switches & APs, why not do both @Carnival-Boy ?
The HP switches are "Ok" they are not bad or good. They just work. So this is a tester but if they do everything needed, why not.
No reason. I'm not saying don't get them, I'm just wondering why you picked them as opposed to the UK's more popular switches? Is there any specific thing you're after, or is it just a "why not?" kind of strategy (and there's nothing wrong with that).
Maybe he's looking to be a pioneer
Somebody has to be the first really using any given product in a market.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
Seems like they are a good middle ground for SMBs who need higher level equipment at a lower price
How much of that lower end price is the vendor just charging high prices because they can?
It unfortunate, many people equate price with value. But we look at something like the ERL at $90 and compared to the Cisco ASA for $450 the ERL seems like a cheap consumer thing, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Is there any specific thing you're after, or is it just a "why not?" kind of strategy (and there's nothing wrong with that).
I like the Ubiquiti model of paying a lower price, because they don't have the sales/marketing/support structure of HP/Cisco.
Why pay a premium for average support? If the box is dead, get a new one. If it's a config, then I'll fix it
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I've only ever bought Netgear switches. For no real reason other than the first job I had used Netgear switches and I've never seen any reason to change. I've no real idea if they are good or not, other than the ones I've used have been very reliable.
Netgear don't seem to spend a lot on sales and marketing either. I'm basing this statement on the fact that I've never been cold-called by Netgear whereas in the last 10 years I've been cold-called by Cisco 5,654 times.
How do Netgear compare with Ubiquiti in terms of cost?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I've only ever bought Netgear switches. For no real reason other than the first job I had used Netgear switches and I've never seen any reason to change. I've no real idea if they are good or not, other than the ones I've used have been very reliable.
Netgear don't seem to spend a lot on sales and marketing either. I'm basing this statement on the fact that I've never been cold-called by Netgear whereas in the last 10 years I've been cold-called by Cisco 5,654 times.
How do Netgear compare with Ubiquiti in terms of cost?
Similar from what I have seen. Less robust from what what I have seen also, but not by much.
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@Carnival-Boy
Netgear boxes have given me a bit of grief. I like the dumb un-managed ones, but the managed switches & a few other boxes have been a bit of a mare.Netgear do marketing, a lot of marketing. Good grief. Even on something like google ads.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Netgear do marketing, a lot of marketing. Good grief. Even on something like google ads.
I never see their ads, that's weird.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Netgear boxes have given me a bit of grief. I like the dumb un-managed ones, but the managed switches & a few other boxes have been a bit of a mare.
We never use their managed, but their unmanaged and smart have been very good.
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I don't either
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@Carnival-Boy said:
I've never been cold-called by Netgear whereas in the last 10 years I've been cold-called by Cisco 5,654 times.
We don't get cold called by Cisco. There enterprise stuff isn't really something they cold call on, where they make their money is the SMB lines anyway. Where SMBs think they need Cisco but get sold absolute junk with a Cisco logo on it. The SMB lines at Cisco has done them a major disservice in brand image while making them a lot of money.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Netgear boxes have given me a bit of grief. I like the dumb un-managed ones, but the managed switches & a few other boxes have been a bit of a mare.
We never use their managed, but their unmanaged and smart have been very good.
We have a few M4100 switches and have been rock solid for a while now. But thinking of switching to Edge Switches on the next purchase.
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@Jason said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
I've never been cold-called by Netgear whereas in the last 10 years I've been cold-called by Cisco 5,654 times.
We don't get cold called by Cisco. There enterprise stuff isn't really something they cold call on, where they make their money is the SMB lines anyway. Where SMBs think they need Cisco but get sold absolute junk with a Cisco logo on it. The SMB lines at Cisco has done them a major disservice in brand image while making them a lot of money.
Yes, it's made Cisco look like a total joke. Even those of us who have never used it outside of the enterprise hear the name and laugh. The issues with their UCS stuff didn't help them any, either.
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I just purchased my ERX and an AP-AC-LR for home. It was troublesome to setup at first until I realized that eth0 was meant for WAN (I was trying to setup eth1) Once I got that, everything fell into place and I am super happy so far. Got zoneedit for DDNS setup and the AP is using the POE passthrough. This setup blows my old Asus RN66U out of the water. And it is cheaper.
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@wrx7m said:
I just purchased my ERX and an AP-AC-LR for home. It was troublesome to setup at first until I realized that eth0 was meant for WAN (I was trying to setup eth1) Once I got that, everything fell into place and I am super happy so far. Got zoneedit for DDNS setup and the AP is using the POE passthrough. This setup blows my old Asus RN66U out of the water. And it is cheaper.
Why the LR? those are nothing but marketing. You gain no real benefits from it as the increased transmit power does jack to help the device in your hand transmit BACK at a long range.
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@JaredBusch said:
@wrx7m said:
I just purchased my ERX and an AP-AC-LR for home. It was troublesome to setup at first until I realized that eth0 was meant for WAN (I was trying to setup eth1) Once I got that, everything fell into place and I am super happy so far. Got zoneedit for DDNS setup and the AP is using the POE passthrough. This setup blows my old Asus RN66U out of the water. And it is cheaper.
Why the LR? those are nothing but marketing. You gain no real benefits from it as the increased transmit power does jack to help the device in your hand transmit BACK at a long range.
- Better signal quality (less noise / effected by noise)
- Less packet loss
- faster TX speed
- better reflection / bounce
- coffee mug warms up faster when sitting on it
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@MattSpeller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@wrx7m said:
I just purchased my ERX and an AP-AC-LR for home. It was troublesome to setup at first until I realized that eth0 was meant for WAN (I was trying to setup eth1) Once I got that, everything fell into place and I am super happy so far. Got zoneedit for DDNS setup and the AP is using the POE passthrough. This setup blows my old Asus RN66U out of the water. And it is cheaper.
Why the LR? those are nothing but marketing. You gain no real benefits from it as the increased transmit power does jack to help the device in your hand transmit BACK at a long range.
- Better signal quality (less noise / effected by noise)
- Less packet loss
- faster TX speed
- better reflection / bounce
- coffee mug warms up faster when sitting on it
I will admit that my response is based on the specs comparing the UAP and UAP_LR not the new AC models. The UAP and UAP-LR were the same thing simply with more TX power on the UAP-LR
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@JaredBusch said:
@MattSpeller said:
@JaredBusch said:
@wrx7m said:
I just purchased my ERX and an AP-AC-LR for home. It was troublesome to setup at first until I realized that eth0 was meant for WAN (I was trying to setup eth1) Once I got that, everything fell into place and I am super happy so far. Got zoneedit for DDNS setup and the AP is using the POE passthrough. This setup blows my old Asus RN66U out of the water. And it is cheaper.
Why the LR? those are nothing but marketing. You gain no real benefits from it as the increased transmit power does jack to help the device in your hand transmit BACK at a long range.
- Better signal quality (less noise / effected by noise)
- Less packet loss
- faster TX speed
- better reflection / bounce
- coffee mug warms up faster when sitting on it
I will admit that my response is based on the specs comparing the UAP and UAP_LR not the new AC models. The UAP and UAP-LR were the same thing simply with more TX power on the UAP-LR
To be fair you're right to be sceptical, just pumping more juice through the radio will actually make things worse lots of the time. I'm making the assumption that they were designed to handle it. I don't think that is an unreasonable one.
Also - yeah it really is just upping the TX power, I forget the exact specs but it was ~30% or better IIRC
If someone wanted to hack their firmware I'd bet you could take a normal one and bump it to get an LR one.
