Ubiquiti Switches
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
Meraki dumbs everything down and hides a lot of feature they don't think you need access to. It is also nearly impossible to get any stats off the unit itself. Usage and memory are hidden and you need to contact support to see if you are overloading the unit. Most of the time it isn't a big deal but sometimes you really need those stats to troubleshoot a different issue.
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@Dashrender said:
I guess I missed Sipura - and I've never heard of it. Where was it sold?
Sipura was bought by Linksys and bought by Cisco as part of the Linksys purchase. Cisco put their Cisco brand on that stuff too. It all became Cisco.
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@Dashrender said:
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
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@Dashrender said:
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
That would be a marketing line. Cisco did buy and sell Linksys as an operating division, yes. That is irrelevant in the situation. Linksys was not kept as a product line while in Cisco, Cisco was all one thing. Cisco used the Linksys purchase to become a low end hobbyist company (additionally to other things.) That didn't change with the sell off. Linksys inspired gear is still in the lineup. Cisco changed who they were, selling the Linksys manufacturing division to Belkin did not change that.
Cisco's quality and level is defined by what they put their brand on. They put it on Linksys, they put it on Sipura, they put it on crap hobby gear and they continue to sell Cisco-brand products that come from the Linksys world, that Cisco apparently makes now.
This is not like IBM allowing Lenovo to brand their gear for a period of time while continuing to use IBM designs. This is gear made under Cisco auspices for Cisco (likely by Cisco themselves) that represents what the company engineers.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
Meraki dumbs everything down and hides a lot of feature they don't think you need access to. It is also nearly impossible to get any stats off the unit itself. Usage and memory are hidden and you need to contact support to see if you are overloading the unit. Most of the time it isn't a big deal but sometimes you really need those stats to troubleshoot a different issue.
And given how underbuilt Cisco equipment tends to be, overloading a Meraki is surprisingly easy to do.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
About to buy Ubiquiti switches to replace layer 3 HP 10/100s.
Probably 3 devices, 2 in the main building, 3rd in the second building over Fibre. 70-80 network points in total.
Going to be fun
Let's hope I don't regret the purchase.Out interest, what has attracted you to Ubiquiti? What's HP not giving you? Or for a small network like yours, why not go for, say, Netgear - cheap as chips and available everywhere? Why go for something that is relatively rare in the UK?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
About to buy Ubiquiti switches to replace layer 3 HP 10/100s.
Probably 3 devices, 2 in the main building, 3rd in the second building over Fibre. 70-80 network points in total.
Going to be fun
Let's hope I don't regret the purchase.Out interest, what has attracted you to Ubiquiti? What's HP not giving you? Or for a small network like yours, why not go for, say, Netgear - cheap as chips and available everywhere? Why go for something that is relatively rare in the UK?
Probably for all the reasons listed in the thread above - cheaper, better support, better features to list a few
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This same site had HP access points, Terrible, constantly breaking down, annoying to maintain.
Now Ubiquiti, I never hear complaints, performance is great and managing them is simple.
So I am hoping to try the switches too.
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Well, if HP make great switches but terrible APs and Ubiquiti make great APs, maybe their switches aren't so great?
I guess that with a switch, reliability is everything, as in a small site you're unlikely to manage them much. Plug them in and forget about them for 10 years. That's what I've done with my Netgear switches - I never touch them (but then I'm not a networking guy).
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But if Ubiquiti make great switches & APs, why not do both @Carnival-Boy ?
The HP switches are "Ok" they are not bad or good. They just work. So this is a tester but if they do everything needed, why not.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if HP make great switches but terrible APs and Ubiquiti make great APs, maybe their switches aren't so great?
It's a risk, of course, but just because HP has a consistency problem does not suggest that Ubiquiti does. Can't hold HP's failings against UBNT.
We have UBNT switches, APs, and routers and not one issue yet. We've also used Netgear a lot and love them too.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if HP make great switches but terrible APs and Ubiquiti make great APs, maybe their switches aren't so great?
It's a risk, of course, but just because HP has a consistency problem does not suggest that Ubiquiti does. Can't hold HP's failings against UBNT.
We have UBNT switches, APs, and routers and not one issue yet. We've also used Netgear a lot and love them too.
How long have you been using UBNT?
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@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
Seems like they are a good middle ground for SMBs who need higher level equipment at a lower price
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
Seems like they are a good middle ground for SMBs who need higher level equipment at a lower price
Yes, they are going after the space that Netgear ProSafe used to have and doing it even better. Netgear still has switching options that UBNT does not (yet.) But UBNT has much higher end APs, at lower prices, with a broader lineup than Prosafe. And UBNT has enterprise routers rather than SMB all in ones like Prosafe. Netgear left the serious AP and router market many years ago leaving switching and their ReadyNAS storage as their key business products. UBNT has stepped into the vacuum and makes the AP and routing products that Netgear should always have made. And the two compete in the switching space.
UBNT also glommed onto the Meraki model of cloud management and went after them as well. So UBNT has fallen into a spot where they are displacing Netgear and Cisco heavily and Meraki completely.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
But if Ubiquiti make great switches & APs, why not do both @Carnival-Boy ?
The HP switches are "Ok" they are not bad or good. They just work. So this is a tester but if they do everything needed, why not.
No reason. I'm not saying don't get them, I'm just wondering why you picked them as opposed to the UK's more popular switches? Is there any specific thing you're after, or is it just a "why not?" kind of strategy (and there's nothing wrong with that).
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
But if Ubiquiti make great switches & APs, why not do both @Carnival-Boy ?
The HP switches are "Ok" they are not bad or good. They just work. So this is a tester but if they do everything needed, why not.
No reason. I'm not saying don't get them, I'm just wondering why you picked them as opposed to the UK's more popular switches? Is there any specific thing you're after, or is it just a "why not?" kind of strategy (and there's nothing wrong with that).
Maybe he's looking to be a pioneer
Somebody has to be the first really using any given product in a market.
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@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
How long have you been using UBNT?
Routers and APs, over a year now. Maybe two? Switches, just a few months.
Seems like they are a good middle ground for SMBs who need higher level equipment at a lower price
How much of that lower end price is the vendor just charging high prices because they can?
It unfortunate, many people equate price with value. But we look at something like the ERL at $90 and compared to the Cisco ASA for $450 the ERL seems like a cheap consumer thing, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Is there any specific thing you're after, or is it just a "why not?" kind of strategy (and there's nothing wrong with that).
I like the Ubiquiti model of paying a lower price, because they don't have the sales/marketing/support structure of HP/Cisco.
Why pay a premium for average support? If the box is dead, get a new one. If it's a config, then I'll fix it
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I've only ever bought Netgear switches. For no real reason other than the first job I had used Netgear switches and I've never seen any reason to change. I've no real idea if they are good or not, other than the ones I've used have been very reliable.
Netgear don't seem to spend a lot on sales and marketing either. I'm basing this statement on the fact that I've never been cold-called by Netgear whereas in the last 10 years I've been cold-called by Cisco 5,654 times.
How do Netgear compare with Ubiquiti in terms of cost?
