My Thumbnail Topic Image Link Collection
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller By using images hosted by someone else, you are flat stealing their bandwidth.
^ This.
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http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/theft-of-services/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_servicesHow many of these people did you ask if you could jack up their bandwidth usage by posting an inline image on ML to their server?
> Android: http://www.ipadevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Android-Logo.png > Ansible: http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/330046/file-764918166-png/Official_Logos/ansible_circleA_black_small.png > Apache: https://www.sslshopper.com/assets/images/apache-logo.png > CentOS: http://www.linuxdeli.com/image/cache/centos-logo-500x500.jpg > Deepin: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/463519126242078720/uRZc-6FI_400x400.png > Dell: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Dell_Logo.svg > ElasticSearch: https://i.imgur.com/65hcxUt.png > Elastix: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Isotipo-elastix.png > HP: http://rlaengineers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/hp-logo.png > Intel Atom: http://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_jppageteaser/intel_atom3_01.jpg > Jira: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xXphm-hzd1s/ToXv6RXM6yI/AAAAAAAAHnE/e9xwSY8Pfwc/s1600/jira1.jpg > Linux: http://hostcodelab.com/images/backslide/linux.png > Linux Mint: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Linux_Mint_logo_without_wordmark.svg/2000px-Linux_Mint_logo_without_wordmark.svg.png > Mail: http://mergy.org/wp-content/uploads/email-icon.png > Malware: http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/CryptoLocker-logo.jpg > Meraki: https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/logo-miles-color-450x450.gif > Minecraft: https://i.imgur.com/7vG78R6.png > NodeBB: https://i.imgur.com/vmhYysw.png > Nylas: https://i.imgur.com/29HvJwI.png > Open Source: http://mbleigh.github.io/open-source-marketing/images/open-source.png > Outlook: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Outlook.com_icon.svg/1014px-Outlook.com_icon.svg.png > PC-BSD: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JNYFp0vIpsE/UlPSaoMLkPI/AAAAAAAAAV0/WsWtq3PaD0k/s1600/67eb5400b38c22d3b415c77274972581.png > Phone: https://members.marshallcenter.org/system/files/Phone.png > Python: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g8pa7SJLlVA/UxqOGPyaCdI/AAAAAAAACK8/uR340IVcU94/s320/python_logo_without_textsvg.png > ownCloud: https://i.imgur.com/bsdGfwu.png > RAID: http://www.vantecusa.com/system/application/media/fck_upload/product/st644r/logo1-RAID.png > Skype: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89/73/7a/89737ad1326f62f0cf8c8ef1638c029d.jpg > Steam: https://i.imgur.com/sy17GNW.png > VirtualBox: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Virtualbox_logo.png > VyOS: http://31.media.tumblr.com/a7751b870c4bdc95569b6b6d2066226d/tumblr_inline_mx8tqxLPVu1qf2nrz.png > Webroot: https://d2omufubuy0uqr.cloudfront.net/mac.com.webroot.webroot-secureanywhere/icon-128.png > X2Go: http://www.hiwi.uni-hannover.de/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/x2go-logo-rotated.png > Xen Orchestra: https://i.imgur.com/Hcswa6I.png > Zabbix: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/precise/zabbix-frontend-0/icon.svg -
Even Wikimedia recommends against it, but does allow it..
@wikimedia article said:
Directly using a Commons file via embedding its URL ("hotlinking") is also possible, but is not recommended.
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Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network.
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@anonymous said:
Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network.
I just always assumed it was allowed in the imgur ToS since that is how things were setup here.
So @Minion-Queen I think you have a problem that needs resolved.
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Even the logo is hotlnked!
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@anonymous said:
Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network.
It's specifically what the NodeBB platform does. It's built in with one of the original plugins.
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@anonymous said:
Even the logo is hotlnked!
Yes, we went through with Imgur's policy on how to do this. They have a setup specifically for this use case.
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@JaredBusch said:
http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/theft-of-services/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_servicesDid you read those links? Not remotely related.
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When Imgur was set up, we went through their policies. It may be that the ToS is different depending on the type of account that you have set up. They have CDN as a specific service offering. But we can look at moving to S3 if people are really disliking Imgur.
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Just checked, all other services have been removed from NodeBB, even ones that are not "official." There used to be plugins for several services, like S3. But when I search, it looks like Imgur is the only thing that is supported. @JaredBusch do you see any other options? Imgur is a plugin, but it is an official one from the core team like the markdown.
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@anonymous said:
@JaredBusch I think he made it pretty clear he doesn't care. ...Even if it isn't illegal, what's the right thing to do morally?
That's correct, although I don't think that I said it, that I do not care because I believe it is how the web and sites are designed to be used. I have been having this discussion for twenty plus years now and feel decently strongly about this. However, this thread is not the place for that discussion, we should open a new one to discuss the merits or moral ambiguities of hot linking. But I will say that if you use anchor tags, I see you as a hypocrite because that does the same referencing. And wonder why you use the web if you don't use its resources. But I'll make a thread to discuss that separately.
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While I don't agree that hotlinking is an ethical issue, at this time at least without a discussion to show me why I am wrong personally, I am perfectly willing to concede that it is perceived as an issue and that people feel strongly about using CDNs, even those with APIs and accounts for this usage. Perception for a public website matters far more than fact, of course.
So that being the case, I will research how we can move to locally hosted images. Sadly our plan to move to S3 has been thwarted by a drop in support for that short of building our own support which is not likely going to happen.
This leaves a few technical hurtles that might really impact site performance.
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Issues that I am aware of that we face with internal image hosting:
- How do we handle uploading to multiple nodes? This is a NodeBB hurtle, is anyone aware of how this would be handled practically?
- Is there a way to make NodeBB upload to a media node (without using NFS to mount a directory of course) so that we could have images "hotlinked" from a separate service like media.mangolassi.it? Same as local uploading but not assuming a local machine?
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Okay, main icon has been moved to local hosting. Image uploads seem to be working. That took a few tries, not sure why it was failing, but seems to be fine now.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Just checked, all other services have been removed from NodeBB, even ones that are not "official." There used to be plugins for several services, like S3. But when I search, it looks like Imgur is the only thing that is supported. @JaredBusch do you see any other options? Imgur is a plugin, but it is an official one from the core team like the markdown.
You did not check real hard then as NodeBB does not remove anything. More specifically, you most likely went to the control panel and did not see it in the plugin list. This does not mean it was removed from NodeBB. This means the developer has not updated the compatibility string in their plugin to note that it is compatible with the version of NodeBB you are running.
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@scottalanmiller said:
When Imgur was set up, we went through their policies. It may be that the ToS is different depending on the type of account that you have set up. They have CDN as a specific service offering. But we can look at moving to S3 if people are really disliking Imgur.
I have no idea what the Imgur ToS says in detail, I never looked. I said as much earlier.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Just checked, all other services have been removed from NodeBB, even ones that are not "official." There used to be plugins for several services, like S3. But when I search, it looks like Imgur is the only thing that is supported. @JaredBusch do you see any other options? Imgur is a plugin, but it is an official one from the core team like the markdown.
You did not check real hard then as NodeBB does not remove anything. More specifically, you most likely went to the control panel and did not see it in the plugin list. This does not mean it was removed from NodeBB. This means the developer has not updated the compatibility string in their plugin to note that it is compatible with the version of NodeBB you are running.
Do you know of one that works with NodeBB currently then? I've tried going outside of the plugin system and grabbing the Rackspace Cloud Files one via GIT and it would not even show up to activate.
Where are you seeing them?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@anonymous said:
Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network.
It's specifically what the NodeBB platform does. It's built in with one of the original plugins.
That NodeBB wrote a plugin or core functionality for it has nothing to do with the legality of it.
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@JaredBusch said:
@scottalanmiller said:
When Imgur was set up, we went through their policies. It may be that the ToS is different depending on the type of account that you have set up. They have CDN as a specific service offering. But we can look at moving to S3 if people are really disliking Imgur.
I have no idea what the Imgur ToS says in detail, I never looked. I said as much earlier.
They've been contacted directly to query about the use case to get their opinion. In the meantime we went to local uploads and are trying to get Cloud Files working, but that looks to be unlikely any time soon as the plugin looks to be deprecated.
