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    • stacksofplatesS
      stacksofplates @Dashrender
      last edited by

      @Dashrender said:

      @johnhooks said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      @johnhooks said:

      Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

      That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

      Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

      You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

      it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

      That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre @stacksofplates
        last edited by

        @johnhooks said:

        @Dashrender said:

        @johnhooks said:

        @scottalanmiller said:

        @johnhooks said:

        Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

        That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

        Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

        You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

        it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

        That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

        Three different windows, two registry hacks, and a reboot, just in case.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @stacksofplates
          last edited by

          @johnhooks said:

          @Dashrender said:

          @johnhooks said:

          @scottalanmiller said:

          @johnhooks said:

          Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

          That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

          Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

          You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

          it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

          That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

          Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

          There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

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          • stacksofplatesS
            stacksofplates
            last edited by

            Or even quicker

            sed -e '/#PermitRootLogin/s/no/yes/g' -e 's/#PermitRootLogin/PermitRootLogin/'

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            • stacksofplatesS
              stacksofplates @Dashrender
              last edited by

              @Dashrender said:

              @johnhooks said:

              @Dashrender said:

              @johnhooks said:

              @scottalanmiller said:

              @johnhooks said:

              Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

              That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

              Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

              You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

              it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

              That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

              Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

              There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

              Is it possible to do any kind of version control with Windows? I mean at a basic level you could use git with the /etc/ folder in Linux. How do you track changes in Windows?

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @mlnews
                last edited by

                @mlnews said:

                I've had a busy morning now that I discovered topic thumbnails!

                I set one of those on one of the how to's i wrote. useful

                On a side note, I set a header image on my profile. Are those being stored locally?

                I know you were wanting to not host things on ML like that.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @stacksofplates
                  last edited by

                  @johnhooks said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  @johnhooks said:

                  @Dashrender said:

                  @johnhooks said:

                  @scottalanmiller said:

                  @johnhooks said:

                  Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

                  That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

                  Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

                  You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

                  it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

                  That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

                  Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

                  There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

                  Is it possible to do any kind of version control with Windows? I mean at a basic level you could use git with the /etc/ folder in Linux. How do you track changes in Windows?

                  Version control to what end?

                  Updating software on Windows is a huge pain in the ass.

                  There are things like Chocolatey where you can get packages to install a lot of the freeware/shareware applications out there.

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                  • dafyreD
                    dafyre @Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    @Dashrender I think he's talking about Git functionality. There are third party applications that you can use for Git functionality in Windows (Tortoise Git, as well as the windows Git binaries), but that is not as useful as it could be since the majority of apps are now storing configuration files off in the registry. Git also does not want to work with the User's Documents folder on Windows (it didn't when I tried it!).

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                    • stacksofplatesS
                      stacksofplates @Dashrender
                      last edited by

                      @Dashrender said:

                      @johnhooks said:

                      @Dashrender said:

                      @johnhooks said:

                      @Dashrender said:

                      @johnhooks said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @johnhooks said:

                      Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

                      That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

                      Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

                      You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

                      it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

                      That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

                      Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

                      There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

                      Is it possible to do any kind of version control with Windows? I mean at a basic level you could use git with the /etc/ folder in Linux. How do you track changes in Windows?

                      Version control to what end?

                      Updating software on Windows is a huge pain in the ass.

                      There are things like Chocolatey where you can get packages to install a lot of the freeware/shareware applications out there.

                      What @dafyre said. Like, one admin changes a config file and everything breaks. So we can revert the changes made.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                        last edited by

                        @JaredBusch said:

                        @mlnews said:

                        I've had a busy morning now that I discovered topic thumbnails!

                        I set one of those on one of the how to's i wrote. useful

                        On a side note, I set a header image on my profile. Are those being stored locally?

                        I know you were wanting to not host things on ML like that.

                        I can't figure out how to make them non-local, but have not really put effort into it. Have you found how to get them to Imgur? Someone said that you could but I was unable to see where.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                          last edited by JaredBusch

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @JaredBusch said:

                          @mlnews said:

                          I've had a busy morning now that I discovered topic thumbnails!

                          I set one of those on one of the how to's i wrote. useful

                          On a side note, I set a header image on my profile. Are those being stored locally?

                          I know you were wanting to not host things on ML like that.

                          I can't figure out how to make them non-local, but have not really put effort into it. Have you found how to get them to Imgur? Someone said that you could but I was unable to see where.

                          never tried. just wondering..

                          Related: I need a higher res image of our company logo..

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @stacksofplates
                            last edited by

                            @johnhooks said:

                            @Dashrender said:

                            @johnhooks said:

                            @Dashrender said:

                            @johnhooks said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @johnhooks said:

                            Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

                            That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

                            Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

                            You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

                            it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

                            That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

                            Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

                            There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

                            Is it possible to do any kind of version control with Windows? I mean at a basic level you could use git with the /etc/ folder in Linux. How do you track changes in Windows?

                            Not realistically, no. You "can" using things like snapshots but it is extremely bulky and kludgy and almost certainly impacts more than you would want.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                              last edited by

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @johnhooks said:

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @johnhooks said:

                              @Dashrender said:

                              @johnhooks said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @johnhooks said:

                              Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

                              That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

                              Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

                              You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

                              it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

                              That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

                              Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

                              There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

                              Is it possible to do any kind of version control with Windows? I mean at a basic level you could use git with the /etc/ folder in Linux. How do you track changes in Windows?

                              Version control to what end?

                              Updating software on Windows is a huge pain in the ass.

                              There are things like Chocolatey where you can get packages to install a lot of the freeware/shareware applications out there.

                              In Linux, all standard configs (and definitely all system ones) are text files under a single directory. If you want to back up all configuration you just do...

                              tar -czf /tmp/mybackup.tgz /etc

                              That's it, done. Everything in one zipped file. Super simple. Put those files into Subversion, GIT, Mercurial or even a wiki and you can track every change no matter how big or small. How do you do that on Windows?

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                              • dafyreD
                                dafyre @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @johnhooks said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @johnhooks said:

                                @Dashrender said:

                                @johnhooks said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @johnhooks said:

                                Last I used was 2003. It's probably because I haven't used it, but I can't imagine managing more than 3 of these.

                                That's why they are common with small shops - you need lots of people for very little work and it creates busy work so that the department isn't idle. Once you get to any size, the human overhead costs is enormous.

                                Maybe it's just me, but file based systems make so much more sense in my mind, I kind of just click with them. I think I've built a whole VDI container in less time than it's taking me to create a share and use folder redirection.

                                You don't have the whole idea of drive letters in Linux either. I can see the appeal in that, though It took me a while to wrap my head around everything just being some folder mounted under /

                                it's also not in your face that you are working on a different drive - which is both good and bad.

                                That plus configs are in files. That makes much more sense to me. Like if I want to stop root login via ssh it's vi /etc/ssh/sshd_config then /PermitRoot then edit that line, then :wq. Takes maybe 10 seconds. I don't have to fumble through different windows to get what I want.

                                Yeah - I completely agree! I really don't understand why the registry is supposed to be better than old text based config files. Assuming permissions are set correctly you can still easily keep people from messing with things they shouldn't mess with.

                                There has to be a reason they decided to go that way in Windows 95, but I don't know it.

                                Is it possible to do any kind of version control with Windows? I mean at a basic level you could use git with the /etc/ folder in Linux. How do you track changes in Windows?

                                Version control to what end?

                                Updating software on Windows is a huge pain in the ass.

                                There are things like Chocolatey where you can get packages to install a lot of the freeware/shareware applications out there.

                                In Linux, all standard configs (and definitely all system ones) are text files under a single directory. If you want to back up all configuration you just do...

                                tar -czf /tmp/mybackup.tgz /etc

                                That's it, done. Everything in one zipped file. Super simple. Put those files into Subversion, GIT, Mercurial or even a wiki and you can track every change no matter how big or small. How do you do that on Windows?

                                Wail and Gnash teeth, or enable file versioning / shadow copies... Or both.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  Next door neighbour just stopped by to drop off fresh sheep milk!

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @JaredBusch
                                    last edited by

                                    @JaredBusch said:

                                    @mlnews said:

                                    I've had a busy morning now that I discovered topic thumbnails!

                                    I set one of those on one of the how to's i wrote. useful

                                    You are having way too much fun editing every damn topic thumbnail this morning. 😏

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill
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                                      Getting my fireplace and heater(s) fixed before the big snowstorm.

                                      Oh and getting a snowblower tire rebeaded hopefully.

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                                      • MattSpellerM
                                        MattSpeller
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                                        I just got passed in post count by @mlnews lol

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                                        • mlnewsM
                                          mlnews @MattSpeller
                                          last edited by

                                          @MattSpeller said:

                                          I just got passed in post count by @mlnews lol

                                          Muhahahaha

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                                          • MattSpellerM
                                            MattSpeller @mlnews
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                                            @mlnews said:

                                            @MattSpeller said:

                                            I just got passed in post count by @mlnews lol

                                            Muhahahaha

                                            Zip it spam bot lol - all up in here with your memes and links like you just don't care

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