@thwr said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

c. Easily manageable comparitely

XenServer is much easier than Hyper-V when starting from scratch on both. XenServer is super easy, and XenOrchestra (free) makes it even easier.

Wouldn't subscribe this. We got quite a few threads here with users struggling with XS for some reason or another. But Hyper-V is also complex enough on its own

Just had a look at the latest "5nine Manager for Hyper-V" free edition, which is pretty good. Most day to day tasks can also be accomplished by just using Hyper-V or Failover-Cluster Manager and PowerShell.

For me, Hyper-V seems to be not that much easier than XenServer and ESXi due to interface. At first, I was having issues to connect it with Hyper-V Manager, and disabled firewall at all to setup (which is not recommended) and not familiar with PowerShell.

But the idea of 5nine free is good idea, and I tried to download it but I think, it will allow Pro for 30 trial first then to Free one ? which I don't want to use Pro at all bcoz I will disappoint by looking at free (due to low features)

@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

b. Free VMs Backup software availability

XenServer + XenOrchestra gives you backups built in and free.

Hyper-V you will need to add backup software, like Veeam, to do backups.

Actually I tried to evaluate XenServer long ago, but was not able to setup it on Lenovo M93p desktop for some reason, so I gave it up.

Just now, spin the XenServer 7 on ESXi VM to check XenCenter and XenOrchestra free.

With XenCenter, it seems okay to manage and tried to setup XenOrchestra but something not okay due to Nested VM, network etc. , I am not able to get in for XO. I guess, I need to set it up directly on server instead of nested VM to test it better ?

@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

I am about to roll one of the above or any other better free Virtualization solution on Lenovo ThinkServer TS140.

Your shortlist should be Hyper-V and XenServer. These are the two free products that make the most sense in the SMB market. KVM is a good product but requires a level of expertise that these do not. XenServer is vastly more mature and much easier to use than Hyper-V and has a free ecosystem around it that makes extended use much more cost effective as well.

Yeah, I short listed with Hyper-V and XenServer. No for KVM.

@scottalanmiller said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

@openit said in Free bare metal virtualization, HyperV free or VMware ESXi 6 free or else ?:

I am at a point to choose Hyper V Free or ESXi 6 Free.

This one is simple. When using a free hypervisor, your reasonable options are Hyper-V, XenServer and KVM. ESXi Free should never really even get considered. VMware ESXi only has value when you are paying for Essentials or more, and even then it's questionable as it does not come with support, so many consider Essentials Plus to be the minimum viable option for VMware ESXi. With the singular exception of a lab where you are using ESXi Free solely for the purpose of learning ESXi, the free edition should not even be mentioned - there is no business case where it is acceptable to use it.

Except, of course, where an application vendor demands that you use ESXi for their product and you have no choice in the matter.

I see. I was testing VMWare Esxi 6 free, which seems okay to manage, but may better to leave it as you are recommending specifically at business.

Hello All,

I am at a point to choose Hyper V Free or ESXi 6 Free.

I am about to roll one of the above or any other better free Virtualization solution on Lenovo ThinkServer TS140.

Here on this Virtualzation server, I am going to spin following services/servers (few are still planning) :

1. Spiceworks HelpDesk
2. Spiceworks Network Monitor
3. rConfig
4. Graylog2
5. FileAuditing Software
6. Intranet Website
7. PDQ Deploy
8. Linux Machines to practise or test new things
9. Windows VMs for Lab
   etc.

And requirements for Virtualization is as follows :

a. Free ( I believe there are lots of options for free, as above services are not critical, it's okay)
b. Free VMs Backup software availability
c. Easily manageable comparitely ( I am currently testing VMWare ESXi 6 free, which is not complicated for me and got an app for Android to monitor/manage few things on Server. And not sure how Hyper-V free is going to work).

Looking forward for suggestions !!

@scottalanmiller said in Comodo One Free-Feedback, specially abt Patch Management vs PDQ Deploy Free.:

What kind of patches do you want to manage in this way?

General third party software like Adobe, flash, java etc.

@scottalanmiller said in Comodo One Free-Feedback, specially abt Patch Management vs PDQ Deploy Free.:

Definitely free for business and commercial use. No question there.

Noted.

@Minion-Queen said in Comodo One Free-Feedback, specially abt Patch Management vs PDQ Deploy Free.:

We looked at ComodoOne for our helpdesk and some of the RMM stuff. The product works pretty good. Yes it's only cloud.

However their Sales team is HORRIBLE! I had to email management to get them to stop calling me multiple times a day.

We will never use the product due to the harassment we got from the sales team. 5 or 6 calls a day is crazy, and that doesn't count the 100's of emails.

I see. By the way why they call ? to introduce Enterprise version or other add ons ?

Do I need to append secondary email and secondary contact number ?

@openit Maybe I am really getting convinced about idea of getting all important files onto File Server and bother about single location.

Now I am thinking that, if user cannot work directly on file server, at least we can force them to copy the important data to file server at the end of the day, so not copied, no backup. But issue is about everyday they need to overwrite the files with the updated ones ?

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Let's get back to to Willard's question.

@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?

Can we move to a scenario where there is no local data? Does the AutoDesk software allow for the local caching of CAD drawings as Dustin mentioned thereby removing the performance issues of network storage? Is this acceptable to the OP? If so, does desktop based backup still need to happen?

I can understand how easy it would be for me and saves cost too if users can do things from file server, and I just need to bother about backing up from one location.

The point here is performance, which is not acceptable for end users, as it's their production software.

What kind of data is it that it needs local performance?

Performance issue is about, File is on File Server VS local. I have tested with users by working directly on File Server, the user is getting annoyed to work, it depends on what is the CAD file size too, usually our users have larger files.

Hello All,

I was going through the Comodo One Free. I assume this free is for Business purpose too.

I found Patch Management is included in this Package.

Anyone have experience on it ? how good it is when compared to PDQ Deploy Free Edition ?

I guess it's only cloud, no on-premises ?

Appreciate your response !

@openit Sorry for the delayed reply by the way

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Hey, finally this thread got around to convincing the OP to move data off the local machines!

Sometimes we get distracted.

But got the chance to understand different point of views

@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Hey, finally this thread got around to convincing the OP to move data off the local machines!

IMO Convincing power matters a lot when you are trying to explain technical things to your non-technical manager

@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Let's get back to to Willard's question.

@BRRABill said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Hey why hasn't anyone tried talking the OP out of doing this? You know, the whole "no data on the PC" thing?

Can we move to a scenario where there is no local data? Does the AutoDesk software allow for the local caching of CAD drawings as Dustin mentioned thereby removing the performance issues of network storage? Is this acceptable to the OP? If so, does desktop based backup still need to happen?

I can understand how easy it would be for me and saves cost too if users can do things from file server, and I just need to bother about backing up from one location.

The point here is performance, which is not acceptable for end users, as it's their production software.

@Dashrender said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Anyways, at my current situation, what I believe to be better is, take the network under domain ASAP.

Is a domain a significant help in this situation?

Didn't @openit say he has over 100 systems?

Centralized backup is the most helpful in the current situation.

I agree with that.

@DustinB3403 said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Anyways, at my current situation, what I believe to be better is, take the network under domain ASAP.

Is a domain a significant help in this situation?

Didn't @openit say he has over 100 systems?

Yeah I mentioned.

@scottalanmiller said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

@openit said in PCs Backup software that can isolate backup destination to protect from Ransomware virus.:

Anyways, at my current situation, what I believe to be better is, take the network under domain ASAP.

Is a domain a significant help in this situation?

May not be.

@Dashrender @scottalanmiller

Anyways, at my current situation, what I believe to be better is, take the network under domain ASAP.

At top, work out on backing up the data things which is the theme of my post, got lots of ideas here, going through solutions mentioned in thread, most welcome for the replies related to backup software as of now

On other hand, I need to spin the Linux on VM or physical to test our production software for future use.

@scottalanmiller said in Microsoft Teams announced:

@openit said in Microsoft Teams announced:

@openit Also seems MS do not have separate team/ dept. to handle MS Teams like they have for Yammer.

Yammer was a different company, so that stuff is legacy.

I see.