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@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Breffni-Potter said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

Where does MS say that it is legal to buy an OEM copy of Windows IF you buy a broken stick of Ram with it as well? Stop inventing nonsense about Europe being able to evade US contract law. It's basic knowledge that an OEM edition of Windows is not tied to anything except for the motherboard of the system in which it was supplied. So...how can you buy a faulty ram stick and be "legal" under their OEM agreement?

Right on the link I provided. Did you not read the article?

The word hardware comes up once in the entire article. Don't see it written where you must be supplied with a piece of hardware in the article. Can you copy paste the relevant section?

@NDC said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Breffni-Potter said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

Where does MS say that it is legal to buy an OEM copy of Windows IF you buy a broken stick of Ram with it as well? Stop inventing nonsense about Europe being able to evade US contract law. It's basic knowledge that an OEM edition of Windows is not tied to anything except for the motherboard of the system in which it was supplied. So...how can you buy a faulty ram stick and be "legal" under their OEM agreement?

The whole thing was very shaky from the beginning when MS demanded that people only sell the license with hardware. They gave people a bunch of crap about selling licenses with broken stuff. They gave people crap about selling with a singe piece of working hardware. Mostly it was self enforced because MS are scary.

This comes down to they wanted their product supported. They weren't willing to provide the support at the OEM price point. Trying to tie a piece of hardware to the license(MS really wanted a full system here) gave them leverage to make someone else provide the end user support.

Bingo. So basically the entire OEM system is designed to absolve MS of support for cheaper licenses, which was the whole point. The onus is on the OEMs to deliver support to the end users.

Where does MS say that it is legal to buy an OEM copy of Windows IF you buy a broken stick of Ram with it as well? Stop inventing nonsense about Europe being able to evade US contract law. It's basic knowledge that an OEM edition of Windows is not tied to anything except for the motherboard of the system in which it was supplied. So...how can you buy a faulty ram stick and be "legal" under their OEM agreement?

No, I'm talking about the insanity that buying OEMs with HDDs or Ram sticks makes it legal when...it so does not.

Right....so where do the system builders buy it from?

@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Breffni-Potter said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

We buy OEM licenses all the time here...being made to buy a random ram stick or a hard drive to get OEM is bizarre.

That's the hardware that the license is bound to. Since OEM is always bound to some piece of hardware.

Nope.

OEM is not bound to any hardware until it is used. Then it is bound to the hardware which 9/10 is the motherboard, not the hard drive or ram sticks.

We buy OEM licenses all the time here...being made to buy a random ram stick or a hard drive to get OEM is bizarre.

@scottalanmiller said

Seriously, this is just "how it is" in the US.

Yes, I'm sorry the clueless brit who lives over 4000 miles from the US, does not know why people buy random bits of junk with a boxed product which you can buy....from just about anyone in Europe without needing pointless hardware.

@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Breffni-Potter said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Dashrender said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Breffni-Potter said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Himura1 said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Himura1 said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

If I don't have a legit qualifying OS for a few systems, lets say 10, what would be the way to go? Buy 10 Retail license first and then 1 upgrade VL license?

That's one option. Assuming your one VL is so that you can image instead of doing manual individual installs, yes. However MOST people would go with OEM here. The chances that you'd want higher cost retail and want to move them around is low. Possible, but low.

The most typical approach here is all OEM. Generally if you are using Windows you want it to be the only OS you ever use on that hardware.

Is it okay to install an OEM license to a PC that's running a illegal OS? I thought OEM is for resale only.

OEM licenses are only approved if you are refurbishing the system for resale. They are not intended for end users to purchase. That's the official MS rule.

Interesting, I've never heard it worded like that. By this definition, it would be improper at best, illegal at worst when vendors sell HDs along side an OEM license to "qualify" for the OEM license.

Vendors sell hard drives with OEM licenses?

Yes, of course, this is a very normal thing.

I'd like to know what kind of customer buys individual hard drives and gets an OEM license.

And they might well have allowed OEM licenses to be sold like that 10 years ago.

@Dashrender said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Breffni-Potter said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Himura1 said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Himura1 said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

If I don't have a legit qualifying OS for a few systems, lets say 10, what would be the way to go? Buy 10 Retail license first and then 1 upgrade VL license?

That's one option. Assuming your one VL is so that you can image instead of doing manual individual installs, yes. However MOST people would go with OEM here. The chances that you'd want higher cost retail and want to move them around is low. Possible, but low.

The most typical approach here is all OEM. Generally if you are using Windows you want it to be the only OS you ever use on that hardware.

Is it okay to install an OEM license to a PC that's running a illegal OS? I thought OEM is for resale only.

OEM licenses are only approved if you are refurbishing the system for resale. They are not intended for end users to purchase. That's the official MS rule.

Interesting, I've never heard it worded like that. By this definition, it would be improper at best, illegal at worst when vendors sell HDs along side an OEM license to "qualify" for the OEM license.

Vendors sell hard drives with OEM licenses?

@Himura1 said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@scottalanmiller said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

@Himura1 said in Windows 10 volume licensing questions:

If I don't have a legit qualifying OS for a few systems, lets say 10, what would be the way to go? Buy 10 Retail license first and then 1 upgrade VL license?

That's one option. Assuming your one VL is so that you can image instead of doing manual individual installs, yes. However MOST people would go with OEM here. The chances that you'd want higher cost retail and want to move them around is low. Possible, but low.

The most typical approach here is all OEM. Generally if you are using Windows you want it to be the only OS you ever use on that hardware.

Is it okay to install an OEM license to a PC that's running a illegal OS? I thought OEM is for resale only.

OEM licenses are only approved if you are refurbishing the system for resale. They are not intended for end users to purchase. That's the official MS rule.

Are there companies who buy OEM licenses to get compliant? Many. Has anyone ever been punished of it? Not that I've heard of.

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@scottalanmiller said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:

@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:

If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.

Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?

I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.

AMD has handled it before no problem.

Did they not fold badly years ago? They seemed to back out of the game and ceed a lot to Intel.

@stacksofplates said

Oh I meant it would be brutal for customers under the current licensing structure.

Yeah but that's because its a very Intel friendly license model. If those two have a proper falling out, MS can make it more AMD friendly.

@stacksofplates said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:

@Breffni-Potter said in Intel Sees Irrelevance in Its Future, Turns to Legal Threats Instead of Technology:

If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.

Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?

I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.

They will probably have to rethink their licensing structure. That would be brutal.

Not really, They review their license model with each new edition, Server and Windows are huge products so they got plenty of teams to do it. I don't think it would be that big a stretch for the behemoth of Microsoft to change.

If Windows suggests to their OEM partners to favour AMD more....ouch, Intel will lose hugely. Think of all those OEM servers and client devices.

Would AMD be capable of handling the demand or would it fold?

I don't think we'll see it with Server 16's lifetime but maybe the next version.

Brilliant.

I'm not up for a big company picking on a smaller one in court but in this case....yeah, quite pleased this is happening.

Using the words

"I've been doing this for x years"
"I do this for all my clients"
"There are over _____ number of users of this worldwide"

@StuartJordan said in Live Streaming of Conference?:

Will you YouTube live, that works pretty well doesn't it?

Incredibly good for live streaming, we use it for events all the time and it auto records the stream to be released as a recording later.

The flip side is, charging for a web stream? Hmmmm.