@black3dynamite said in Webex vs. Microsoft Teams + FreePBX conference:
Have you considered Zoom too?
https://zoom.us/
I was looking into Zoom a little this morning. The 40 minute meeting limit on the free tier is a deal breaker there. The proposed Teams/FreePBX would be less expensive than the $14.99 tier, and anybody in our organization could use it instead of one person basically being the admin still.
We currently use Webex for our conferences, one person has access to it, so it's a pain for him when somebody else needs to have a meeting. He sets it up and forwards the meeting to whoever else needs it. We are small enough that we never really have to worry about multiple meetings at the same time.
We also have Office 365 Business Premium for all of our users. The Teams meetings function looks pretty solid, but it doesn't look like I can add a call in number unless we're on either the E3/E5 plans. So, I was tinkering yesterday and bought a new number on Twilio and setup a new inbound route on our FreePBX directly to a conference and setup a 9 digit pin for the conference, and everything seems to function pretty smooth. We can just add the call in number and pin to the bottom of the meeting invitation and it looks pretty decent.
Does this sound like a feasible solution? Anybody have major issues with Teams? Is there anything I'm overlooking? I'm just trying to better utilize what we already have. There seems to be a pretty general dislike for Webex among the main contributors here.
One thing I didn't like about teams is that you have to install a client to attend the meeting, which is the same for Webex and just about every other major solution if I remember correctly.
@DustinB3403 said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Here is the all important bit of information, directly on the MCT website.
Also, this picture can be 100% ignored because it's not the EULA. This cannot be submitted as evidence. There is another page directly saying that the free upgrade period has ended and that you have to buy a Windows 10 license if you're upgrading from 7. Which was immediately dismissed as it's not EULA. :winking_face:
@DustinB3403 said in Free Upgrade to Windows 10 in 2019 from Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1:
Here is the all important bit of information, directly on the MCT website.
Right, which I interpret as you have a valid Windows 10 license AND you're upgrading from 7, 8, 8.1. Just like when you buy an Enterprise or Volume License, the machine must already have a valid copy of windows AND the new Volume license.
EDIT: I clearly don't get it and I'm no expert, just a layman reading things... I know, I know, your 7, 8, 8.1 license IS your 10 license... blah blah 
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
It's valid for Windows. That's the point. And its in a wording about upgrades, which guarantees that the topic cannot be limited to a version. I showed this when I first posted it that MS made it clear.
Remember Windows 10 is not a version, it is a rebranding of Windows. A Windows 10 license = Windows license. Windows 7 and Windows 10 are not comparable topics.
So I have a bunch of old NT 4.0 keys laying around, those are valid Windows 10 licenses? Because Windows is Windows?
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
I'm done. You win. I haven't done this in 4 years, it's not even relevant to me anymore. You can't understand what I'm saying and I give up lol
Because you keep refuting something completely different than I've said. I said very, very clearly that both the EULA has to be honored, and then the activation was meaningful. And then every time you refute it by using an example where the EULA is not honored, which means you aren't even discussing anything I've discussed.
Those are wholly unrelated scenarios. Nothing that happens with activation when the EULA isn't valid has any applicability to the situation.
Because I don't see anywhere in the Windows 10 EULA that says a valid Windows 7, 8, 8.1 license makes your Windows 10 license valid. Nowhere does it say Windows 7 license = Windows 10 license.
This is my last time trying. You keep saying that the EULA applies because your Windows 7 license IS valid, but is it valid for Windows 7.... or Windows 10??? Just because it activates doesn't mean it is valid.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
You are only refuting something different than we are discussing. Refute what I said, which has an "and" in it. For an "and" to be true, it can only be proven as untrue in whole, not in part. You are looking solely at a very different thing.
I'm done. You win. I haven't done this in 4 years, it's not even relevant to me anymore. You can't understand what I'm saying and I give up lol
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
A Windows 7 key will work to upgrade and activate a Windows 10 upgrade.
This is because MS has no idea or way of knowing when that 7 key was bought. It knows when it was activated, I think they would keep record of that on their activation servers / databases. So if you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a prior activated Windows 7 key, you're good to go. If you activate a Windows 10 upgrade based on a non-prior acticated Windows 7 key AND, it was purchased prior to the Free Windows 10 deadline, I don't think you'd therefore be licensed.... though I haven't done much reading on that.
Yes dude, thank you!
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
And notice you left out that we ONLY said "when the license is valid". You are refusing to refute what I actually have said. Suggesting you believe it to be true, otherwise you'd address the situation that I am discussion.
You are depending on the "or" when I only am stating "and".
I've tried 100 times to refute it. You keep trying to prove your point by saying that a valid Windows 7 key activates, therefore it must be valid. Who cares if their activation servers still activate the key........ it doesn't mean it's valid.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10.
Yes, we have. That's what you are missing. Because Genuine Windows 7 activates as Windows 10, that means that Microsoft themselves have verified that that WIn 7 key is a valid Win 10 key.
Windows non-genuine also activates. For the 10th time, activation doesn't mean anything at all and isn't even relevant.
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
I straight up skipped Windows 8 and jumped to Windows 10 with my hacked Windows 7 ISO, and got Windows 10 for free too at the time (I've since got a new system but w/e). Doesn't make my hacked ISO legit and valid.
You upgraded to Windows 10 FROM non-genuine software, therefore, your WIndows 10 license (and original version) is invalid and you are not licensed.
Exactly, I stated as much, I upgraded from a non-valid source. MS couldn't tell the difference, but I did. I was not legal at the time. That license is long gone as is the hardware, but the point remains just because you can do something, doesn't equate to being allowed and licensed to do that.
You can snort cocaine, doesn't make it legal to pose or snort cocaine. . .
My entire point of bringing this up repeatedly was to address Scott's bogus claim that the activation server queries home so therefore you MUST be licensed... it's not black and white.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
You say there is no solidified way of doing this, Scott says it's black and white because it queries Microsoft and asks... Your pirated version was activated, yet it's not legal somehow?
The whole thing is just so confusing /sarcasThis has been completely covered by the EULA. How are you missing that? The EULA spells this out, so your point makes no sense. The activation is only applicable if the license is valid. Since it is, the activation is valid. Period. Black and white, no gray area, no complexity.
You guys haven't proven anything stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are valid licenses for Windows 10. You keep saying that your Windows 7 license is valid, therefore the application is applicable, but the entire point of the last 50 posts in this thread is trying to prove that the license is, in fact, valid. How are you missing that? Why on earth would a Windows 7 license be a valid Windows 10 license if you missed the free upgrade promotion? It's a completely different product. The onus is on me to prove it's not valid, so is there something in my AutoCAD licensing saying specifically that a Photoshop license doesn't count as a valid AutoCAD license, of course not, because why would it? Why would a license for a different software count as a license for something else??
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Yes, which your missing the point here. Microsoft is stating that only valid licenses are eligible aka licensed.
They have no solidified way of stopping something that is circumventing their systems from upgrading, short of dragging the offender into litigation.
The same goes for every other OS they've released in the past decade and a half. Just because you can do something doesn't make it legal.
You've proven the point.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
But we know it is because when you activate you query Microsoft and ask, and they verify. So that's black and white, since there was no workaround, and they verify, you know the answer.
You are seeking an implication that isn't there.
You say there is no solidified way of doing this, Scott says it's black and white because it queries Microsoft and asks... Your pirated version was activated, yet it's not legal somehow?
The whole thing is just so confusing /sarcasm
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Yes, which your missing the point here. Microsoft is stating that only valid licenses are eligible aka licensed.
You're missing the point. All we want is something that clearly states that a valid Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 license is valid for Windows 10.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
It is relevant, because if a Windows 7 license is not actually a valid Windows 10 license
But we know it is because when you activate you query Microsoft and ask, and they verify. So that's black and white, since there was no workaround, and they verify, you know the answer.
You are seeking an implication that isn't there.
@DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
Right, my hacked windows 7 ISO and product key, weren't genuine, but I was still able to upgrade to Windows 10 because MS had no way to prevent it. As far as the system knew I was genuine. But any licensed computer with Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 is allowed to upgrade to Windows 10 for free.
Dustin's pirated copy activated. It doesn't mean it's valid. Just because it activates doesn't mean it's valid. I can use my server standard license on 5 VMs and they will all activate, but only 2 VMs are valid. Activation means shit.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
One of them very specifically states that the free upgrade offer ended in 2016 and that you need to purchase a new license
Not a single one of those is part of the license path, though. They aren't tied to the MCT download, nor do the upgrade, nor to the license or EULA. They don't apply to the situation we are discussing.
One program is known to have ended in 2016. It's also known that other options carried on after that. So that anything ended in the past that we aren't discussing here isn't applicable. But does show that whatever resource that that is isn't talking about what we are talking about.
It is relevant, because if a Windows 7 license is not actually a valid Windows 10 license than the EULA clearly states that using MCT doesn't magically make it legit. This could easily end if one of you would post something clearly stating that Windows 7, 8, 8.1 licenses are also valid as Windows 10 licenses.
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the softwa"
I believe you're misinterpreting... I read this as if you're updating or upgrading non-genuine software WITH SOFTWARE FROM MICROSOFT (read MCT), you're not doing it right... You need a valid license to use MCT. Period.
Right, and if you have a valid Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 install then you have the valid license to use the MCT. They state that in multiple places that you linked.
Every link I posted said that the upgrade needs to be licensed... Not that those previous versions are automatic licenses to Win10
One of them very specifically states that the free upgrade offer ended in 2016 and that you need to purchase a new license
@scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:
. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the softwa"
I believe you're misinterpreting... I read this as if you're updating or upgrading non-genuine software WITH SOFTWARE FROM MICROSOFT (read MCT), you're not doing it right... You need a valid license to use MCT. Period.
@scottalanmiller
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm
a. License. The software is licensed, not sold. Under this agreement, we grant you the right to install and run one instance of the software on your device (the licensed device), for use by one person at a time, so long as you comply with all the terms of this agreement. Updating or upgrading from non-genuine software with software from Microsoft or authorized sources does not make your original version or the updated/upgraded version genuine, and in that situation, you do not have a license to use the software.
@scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
Here's another thing that clearly states you must have a valid Windows 10 license to use the MCT. I know just because their website says it that it doesn't necessarily mean it's true, but everything I can find says you need a valid license.
