Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@RojoLoco said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
If you're planning on letting any religious types in, I'm out. I'll take my chances in the wild vs. being cooped up with anyone religious. Or we should eat the mennonites and amish.
The Mennonites / Amish would be the user base, the group of people we'd need the experience of to build strong structures or to maintain a farm of any sort.
If we are thinking in IT terms, users would just get us all killed. Gotta leave the users.
I would think the snowflake users would be the exception to this rule. The modern user (who has no clue) would be the ones to leave.
Why are modern users the ones without a clue? In your scenario, it is the Amish that would know nothing of hydroponics, for example.
The Amish are capable / knowledgeable about farming / construction in general.
The modern user (think someone use lives off of SnapChat) are rather worthless IMO.
But we already established, right, that farming and construction would be useless because you'd be dead before you could leverage that knowledge. How much use is farming when you can't defend a farm?
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@RojoLoco said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
If you're planning on letting any religious types in, I'm out. I'll take my chances in the wild vs. being cooped up with anyone religious. Or we should eat the mennonites and amish.
The Mennonites / Amish would be the user base, the group of people we'd need the experience of to build strong structures or to maintain a farm of any sort.
If we are thinking in IT terms, users would just get us all killed. Gotta leave the users.
I would think the snowflake users would be the exception to this rule. The modern user (who has no clue) would be the ones to leave.
Why are modern users the ones without a clue? In your scenario, it is the Amish that would know nothing of hydroponics, for example.
The Amish are capable / knowledgeable about farming / construction in general.
The modern user (think someone use lives off of SnapChat) are rather worthless IMO.
But we already established, right, that farming and construction would be useless because you'd be dead before you could leverage that knowledge. How much use is farming when you can't defend a farm?
But @scottalanmiller you're assuming that we'd be using a "common" sun fed farm. Rather than a cave type farm, or modern hydroponics type of farm.
Securing the structure that is your farm source in the key.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@RojoLoco said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
If you're planning on letting any religious types in, I'm out. I'll take my chances in the wild vs. being cooped up with anyone religious. Or we should eat the mennonites and amish.
The Mennonites / Amish would be the user base, the group of people we'd need the experience of to build strong structures or to maintain a farm of any sort.
If we are thinking in IT terms, users would just get us all killed. Gotta leave the users.
I would think the snowflake users would be the exception to this rule. The modern user (who has no clue) would be the ones to leave.
Why are modern users the ones without a clue? In your scenario, it is the Amish that would know nothing of hydroponics, for example.
The Amish are capable / knowledgeable about farming / construction in general.
The modern user (think someone use lives off of SnapChat) are rather worthless IMO.
But we already established, right, that farming and construction would be useless because you'd be dead before you could leverage that knowledge. How much use is farming when you can't defend a farm?
But @scottalanmiller you're assuming that we'd be using a "common" sun fed farm. Rather than a cave type farm, or modern hydroponics type of farm.
Securing the structure that is your farm source in the key.
No, I'm assuming that the Amish only know what they know and don't know the things that they explicitly don't know like what you describe. I've already explained any the Amish are only knowledgeable about traditional farms.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@RojoLoco said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
If you're planning on letting any religious types in, I'm out. I'll take my chances in the wild vs. being cooped up with anyone religious. Or we should eat the mennonites and amish.
The Mennonites / Amish would be the user base, the group of people we'd need the experience of to build strong structures or to maintain a farm of any sort.
If we are thinking in IT terms, users would just get us all killed. Gotta leave the users.
I would think the snowflake users would be the exception to this rule. The modern user (who has no clue) would be the ones to leave.
Why are modern users the ones without a clue? In your scenario, it is the Amish that would know nothing of hydroponics, for example.
The Amish are capable / knowledgeable about farming / construction in general.
The modern user (think someone use lives off of SnapChat) are rather worthless IMO.
But we already established, right, that farming and construction would be useless because you'd be dead before you could leverage that knowledge. How much use is farming when you can't defend a farm?
But @scottalanmiller you're assuming that we'd be using a "common" sun fed farm. Rather than a cave type farm, or modern hydroponics type of farm.
Securing the structure that is your farm source in the key.
No, I'm assuming that the Amish only know what they know and don't know the things that they explicitly don't know like what you describe. I've already explained any the Amish are only knowledgeable about traditional farms.
A traditional farm or modern farm has the same essential requirements. Food / water / Sunlight (of some kind).
Amish for example I'm sure know more than just farming, but construction as well. So you'd just cut the entire group because they only know about traditional farms?
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@RojoLoco said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
If you're planning on letting any religious types in, I'm out. I'll take my chances in the wild vs. being cooped up with anyone religious. Or we should eat the mennonites and amish.
The Mennonites / Amish would be the user base, the group of people we'd need the experience of to build strong structures or to maintain a farm of any sort.
If we are thinking in IT terms, users would just get us all killed. Gotta leave the users.
I would think the snowflake users would be the exception to this rule. The modern user (who has no clue) would be the ones to leave.
Why are modern users the ones without a clue? In your scenario, it is the Amish that would know nothing of hydroponics, for example.
The Amish are capable / knowledgeable about farming / construction in general.
The modern user (think someone use lives off of SnapChat) are rather worthless IMO.
But we already established, right, that farming and construction would be useless because you'd be dead before you could leverage that knowledge. How much use is farming when you can't defend a farm?
But @scottalanmiller you're assuming that we'd be using a "common" sun fed farm. Rather than a cave type farm, or modern hydroponics type of farm.
Securing the structure that is your farm source in the key.
No, I'm assuming that the Amish only know what they know and don't know the things that they explicitly don't know like what you describe. I've already explained any the Amish are only knowledgeable about traditional farms.
A traditional farm or modern farm has the same essential requirements. Food / water / Sunlight (of some kind).
Amish for example I'm sure know more than just farming, but construction as well. So you'd just cut the entire group because they only know about traditional farms?
Who said cut? you are seeking out a group based specifically on their lack of knowledge and experience. That makes no sense, especially as you tied it to your other plans that involve focusing on things that the Amish cannot do. It makes no sense. You are picking the people least suited to your plans. It's a mismatch.
If your goal was to hide in fields and hope to be avoided and live far away from where civilization used to be, the Amish might be useful, except in the modern world they have a technology dependency that they get externally so they are not the "off the grid" people that you imagine, it's a bizarre dependency that would make them among the least prepared to survive without external support.
But that isn't your goal, your goal is to hunker down and survive in a tight space using modern methods. that's fine, but you need to pick people based on their being able to survive under your plan, not only people for a different plan entirely.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
Securing the structure that is your farm source in the key.
Which is why the Amish seem a bizarre choice. You can't secure the kind of farming that they have skills with. That's why your hydroponics make sense, if you can survive that long, because you can secure them. But that rules out the Amish as a logical option.
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I counter you past two arguments with this.
Do you know how to build a structure?
I'm sure I could "get" by. But in order to make it to the point of having a Hydroponics type setup, you need to be secured.
Security / minimal food are immediate needs.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
I counter you past two arguments with this.
Do you know how to build a structure?
I'm sure I could "get" by. But in order to make it to the point of having a Hydroponics type setup, you need to be secured.
Security / minimal food are immediate needs.
No, I'm not good at building. But I'll counter with this... my family is Amish. So... since we know that building buildings is not something genetic with the Amish we can dispense with the thought that that knowledge is automatic with finding someone from that religion. If we had to survive a zombie uprising you don't focus on finding one key person with all of the necessary skills, you want a few people who have best of breed skills.
For example, you'd be struggling to find one key Amish resource who is both a farmer and a house builder. That's hard to find AND if you lose that one person you've lost everything. I'd look for @art_of_shred because we have complimentary skills. He can build houses, I know hydroponics. Together we automatically have the skills that the Amish would lack. Plus he's a planner and I'm a triage person. We'd need both skills to survive. Someone to strategize about what to do, and someone tactical to deal with the situation at hand.
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I'll counter again... buildings exist all over and are plentiful. Food is too, but gets consumed. I can find a good building to secure and live inside of (MCC Henrietta campus would be perfect as it seals but has a large outdoor area in the middle. It could house thousands safely and has space to grow tons of food without being exposed to the outside world. I can find a building that will work. Food will run out, fast. Some will spoil, most will get eaten. Being able to build a building is useless for a long time, maybe forever. Being able to grow food at a place that already exists is vastly more valuable.
Building a building would probably result in everyone getting eaten during the building process.
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But if the group lost either of you, it's essentially be game over for everyone.
All of the knowledge stuck in one or two people leads to a very fragile survival.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
But if the group lost either of you, it's essentially be game over for everyone.
Assuming we had no one else in the group with no skills of their own.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
I'll counter again... buildings exist all over and are plentiful. Food is too, but gets consumed. I can find a good building to secure and live inside of (MCC Henrietta campus would be perfect as it seals but has a large outdoor area in the middle. It could house thousands safely and has space to grow tons of food without being exposed to the outside world. I can find a building that will work. Food will run out, fast. Some will spoil, most will get eaten. Being able to build a building is useless for a long time, maybe forever. Being able to grow food at a place that already exists is vastly more valuable.
Building a building would probably result in everyone getting eaten during the building process.
Now this is completely true. Building are plentiful and many of them are very well suited to long term life.
What I see lacking here though is a way to secure the region from the zombies that roam about.
The end goal would be to easily kill off any waves of Zombies that might be migrating through, as this leads to continued security.
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@Minion-Queen said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
The Amish religion does not allow them to use cars, guns, lights, hydroponics, etc.
And they are very likely to choose to die rather than defend themselves. The Mennonites (at least a good portion of them) will defend themselves.
Not most Mennonites I know. While they may have a rifle to go hunting with, they're almost all pacifists as the Amish are. An Amish church banned guns? That's news to me, lots of the family goes hunting. Even the most conservative churches allow the use of gas lights as well.
Random factoid time: The grates used in gas lights are radioactive enough to set off the radiation detectors when entering/exiting nuclear power plants, don't ask (it wasn't me!
)The population in Amish country is a lot lower than normal, it'd be a good place to get a citadel setup. Local farms nearby with all the equipment you need to grow food with just horses/mules, and a lower population base that need taken care of after being infected.
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@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
But if the group lost either of you, it's essentially be game over for everyone.
Assuming we had no one else in the group with no skills of their own.
So the group would need a handful of people with such suited skill sets for redundancy.
Which then brings about the problem of what if those people disagree about the best solution. What would be the decision process?
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@travisdh1 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
The population in Amish country is a lot lower than normal, it'd be a good place to get a citadel setup. Local farms nearby with all the equipment you need to grow food with just horses/mules, and a lower population base that need taken care of after being infected.
Sure... once you've waited for the indigenous population to die off and had plenty of time to build said citadel once the area was already cleared of zombies.
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@travisdh1 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
The Amish religion does not allow them to use cars, guns, lights, hydroponics, etc.
And they are very likely to choose to die rather than defend themselves. The Mennonites (at least a good portion of them) will defend themselves.
Not most Mennonites I know. While they may have a rifle to go hunting with, they're almost all pacifists as the Amish are. An Amish church banned guns? That's news to me, lots of the family goes hunting. Even the most conservative churches allow the use of gas lights as well.
Random factoid time: The grates used in gas lights are radioactive enough to set off the radiation detectors when entering/exiting nuclear power plants, don't ask (it wasn't me!
)The population in Amish country is a lot lower than normal, it'd be a good place to get a citadel setup. Local farms nearby with all the equipment you need to grow food with just horses/mules, and a lower population base that need taken care of after being infected.
It does depend on their sect (I think that is what you call it). Around here defense wouldn't be an issue for some and others they don't even hunt.
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@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
But if the group lost either of you, it's essentially be game over for everyone.
Assuming we had no one else in the group with no skills of their own.
So the group would need a handful of people with such suited skill sets for redundancy.
Which then brings about the problem of what if those people disagree about the best solution. What would be the decision process?
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
But if the group lost either of you, it's essentially be game over for everyone.
Assuming we had no one else in the group with no skills of their own.
So the group would need a handful of people with such suited skill sets for redundancy.
Which then brings about the problem of what if those people disagree about the best solution. What would be the decision process?
Leaders naturally arise only from a very small percentage of any population. It's a risk, but not a large one.
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Paging @art_of_shred to get some input from a planners point of view.
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@Minion-Queen said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@travisdh1 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@scottalanmiller said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@DustinB3403 said in Walking Dead Plot Holes - How would IT folk survive:
@Minion-Queen makes a good point.
Many regions are very thinly spread out. So the chance of there being a huge zombie number in these regions would be low.
The Amish / Mennonite communities would likely even want to move in with the IT folk. A good mixture of brains and muscle - farm know-how would make for a great match.
Interesting assumption... that in the face of a zombie apocalypse that the Amish would abandon their religion and embrace the fundamental opposite. Valid, but an interesting route to go down.
They wouldn't have to abandon their religion, but which is more important? religion or life? I'm certain sacrifices would be made.
"Living with technology" no matter how old / new it is would likely be one that is made quickly.
The Amish religion does not allow them to use cars, guns, lights, hydroponics, etc.
And they are very likely to choose to die rather than defend themselves. The Mennonites (at least a good portion of them) will defend themselves.
Not most Mennonites I know. While they may have a rifle to go hunting with, they're almost all pacifists as the Amish are. An Amish church banned guns? That's news to me, lots of the family goes hunting. Even the most conservative churches allow the use of gas lights as well.
Random factoid time: The grates used in gas lights are radioactive enough to set off the radiation detectors when entering/exiting nuclear power plants, don't ask (it wasn't me!
)The population in Amish country is a lot lower than normal, it'd be a good place to get a citadel setup. Local farms nearby with all the equipment you need to grow food with just horses/mules, and a lower population base that need taken care of after being infected.
It does depend on their sect (I think that is what you call it). Around here defense wouldn't be an issue for some and others they don't even hunt.
I don't know any that have a "can't disable the undead" clause. Pacifism against the living isn't applicable to the undead. That would be similar to not being allowed to chop down a tree or harvest food.
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My first tactical decision would be peanut butter. Get all of it that you can, and honey. Get it fast and secure it. Next up is tinned veggies. You want stuff that won't kill you that has high energy content that doesn't spoil. Meat is fine for the first weeks, but quickly will get dangerous. Peanut butter and honey are shelf stable and carry crazy energy loads.
