Why is VMWare considered so often
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@travisdh1 OIC I though you were having him install Xen as a part of a CentOS 7 server.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@marcinozga said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
I use it at home, and yes, it requires agents if running free ESXi.
Which is the only way it "can" work, but Unitrends keeps telling me that agents are not allowed with it.
http://www.unitrends.com/products/enterprise-backup-software/unitrends-free - scroll to the middle of the page.
Protection for free vSphere
Unitrends Free protects virtual machines running on free VMware vSphere (also known as Free ESXi) using agents.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@coliver said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Jason said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@hobbit666 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
I have to admit i'm a ESXi person, but only because I can install ESXi and be installing VM's within 30mins. (Backups are an issue)
Hyper-V I have to configure a workstation to be allowed to manage the host (god help me if there's a domain involved lol)
Xen - I admit, I just don't know enough about it, but from my last test it was a nightmare getting install isos onto the server to install onto VM's.Why not just domain join Hyper-V? our Vsphere is domain joined.
I would like to hear the argument as well. Although do you really join VSphere to the domain or do you use the domain as an authentication mechanism?
What is the difference?
Management. I assumed that domain joined devices were managed by the domain and could do GPO style management. Whereas something like ESXi queries the LDAP database to authenticate. I could be wrong but that was my understanding.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
so you lose the Unitrends features like being able to restore to disparate hardware
That's what I meant when I asked "Can you restore a Unitrends backed up VM to a different host?". Since you don't use it with ESXi and don't seem to know for sure how it works, so I'd rather hear from someone who does (or from Unitrends themselves) before writing it off.
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Which @hobbit666 Xen and XenServer are different platforms.
Xen is a hypervisor function you can install to any Linux distro.
XenServer is a Hypervisor you install directly to the hardware.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Which @hobbit666 Xen and XenServer are different platforms.
Xen is a hypervisor function you can install to any Linux distro.
XenServer is a Hypervisor you install directly to the hardware.
Xen is like Asterisk, XenServer is like FreePBX.
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So it must be a agent based backup client that Unitrends uses to protect VM's on ESXi Free.
And it's limited to 1TB of data protection. Which may work for tiny environments but that could very quickly cease to be feasible as the business grows.
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Yeah my bad I always just say Xen, When I should be using XenServer
It's installing 6.5 now on a spare server. Once up will be looing for the guide I think in on ML for XO install and setup -
@hobbit666 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
Yeah my bad I always just say Xen, When I should be using XenServer
It's installing 6.5 now on a spare server. Once up will be looing for the guide I think in on ML for XO install and setup
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If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
But you can build a solution that scales today for free. No cost, so again choosing ESXi Free (or any version of ESXi) is a total waste of money.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
That's very true. I would never choose ESXi Free to deploy today. But that doesn't mean that you should rip it out for the sake of ripping it out, either.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
That's very true. I would never choose ESXi Free to deploy today. But that doesn't mean that you should rip it out for the sake of ripping it out, either.
But would you ever install a software that didn't have features you needed today, but you may need tomorrow?
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
That's very true. I would never choose ESXi Free to deploy today. But that doesn't mean that you should rip it out for the sake of ripping it out, either.
But would you ever install a software that didn't have features you needed today, but you may need tomorrow?
But he's not installing it, it's already there.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
That's very true. I would never choose ESXi Free to deploy today. But that doesn't mean that you should rip it out for the sake of ripping it out, either.
But would you ever install a software that didn't have features you needed today, but you may need tomorrow?
But he's not installing it, it's already there.
I'm specifically referring to the link in the OP of this topic.
What @Carnival-Boy has is a pair of jade shaded glasses on. He would be wise to rip it out if it's not doing the job he needs today. And to do the job he needs (if something changed) he'd have to rip out his current setup anyways and perform a clean install anyways.
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The different versions of ESXi aren't "upgradeable" from platform version to platform version if I recall correctly.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
@Carnival-Boy said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
If the business grows, switch to something else. That's partly the beauty of free, simple products. Use them today. When (or if) business needs change replace them with something else. It's only when there is a big initial investment in a solution (in terms of money and time) that you need really need to focus on scaling in the future. IT solutions can be a lot more dynamic and short-term now than when I started out.
That's very true. I would never choose ESXi Free to deploy today. But that doesn't mean that you should rip it out for the sake of ripping it out, either.
But would you ever install a software that didn't have features you needed today, but you may need tomorrow?
But he's not installing it, it's already there.
I'm specifically referring to the link in the OP of this topic.
Oh yeah, no, that's crazy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
That's very true. I would never choose ESXi Free to deploy today. But that doesn't mean that you should rip it out for the sake of ripping it out, either.
Exactly. I'm experienced in ESXi, I like it, and at the moment it does what I need. If I was starting out again, I wouldn't bother learning it, mainly because I don't see it having any long term future. I'd almost certainly use Hyper-V because I'm a bit of a Microsoft fanboy. Or if I had any interest in hypervisors I'd probably rip it out just for fun, but I don't.
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@DustinB3403 said in Why is VMWare considered so often:
The different versions of ESXi aren't "upgradeable" from platform version to platform version if I recall correctly.
What do you mean? I'm not clear on what isn't able to be done.
