PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
That as a good video. I don't think that everything has to be open source... but for anything that you own, you should be able to fix it without fear of the feds showing up at your doorstep.
How is that different than making everything open? I know it isn't the same, but it is awfully close. Without being open, how do you do it?
Going open or not makes no difference. Some folks will always have a desire to figure out how it works... You trace the wires that go from the engine to the computer boards. Volt meters can tell you a lot about how things work, as do oscillators, etc. Granted your average joe may not have access to these types of tools. But if you look at somebody like a farmer who has grown up having to fix it themselves, you can bet they'll have ways of doing it.
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
That as a good video. I don't think that everything has to be open source... but for anything that you own, you should be able to fix it without fear of the feds showing up at your doorstep.
How is that different than making everything open? I know it isn't the same, but it is awfully close. Without being open, how do you do it?
Going open or not makes no difference. Some folks will always have a desire to figure out how it works... You trace the wires that go from the engine to the computer boards. Volt meters can tell you a lot about how things work, as do oscillators, etc. Granted your average joe may not have access to these types of tools. But if you look at somebody like a farmer who has grown up having to fix it themselves, you can bet they'll have ways of doing it.
But those things are inherently open but the nature of not being able to obscure them. But what if the wires going into a black box and tracing what they do is illegal? You are just saying that most things are open by default, which used to be the case. Now, they are not.
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
Let somebody arrest me for changing my tire.... Come on... arrest me for changing the oil in my car... Those cases would be throwed out faster than you can say "WTF?:"
Would they? how are they different than the cases that have not gone the way of the people fixing their own stuff?
I probably should have quantified that with any judge with common sense (or is it uncommon sense these days) would throw those cases out.
If my case went the wrong way for me, then I say bring on the jail time or fines. I'd gladly change a tire or oil in my car and risk a $700 fine, rather than have to pay a licensed mechanic $140 to come out and spend 15 minutes changing a tire.
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
Let somebody arrest me for changing my tire.... Come on... arrest me for changing the oil in my car... Those cases would be throwed out faster than you can say "WTF?:"
Would they? how are they different than the cases that have not gone the way of the people fixing their own stuff?
I probably should have quantified that with any judge with common sense (or is it uncommon sense these days) would throw those cases out.
If my case went the wrong way for me, then I say bring on the jail time or fines. I'd gladly change a tire or oil in my car and risk a $700 fine, rather than have to pay a licensed mechanic $140 to come out and spend 15 minutes changing a tire.
In the software world, that's called piracy, in the US.
Remember, you are in a country that passed a massive, far reaching law that states exactly the opposite of what you call common sense. No matter how much you think it is obvious, common or just your rights, your legal system doesn't agree.
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
Let somebody arrest me for changing my tire.... Come on... arrest me for changing the oil in my car... Those cases would be throwed out faster than you can say "WTF?:"
Would they? how are they different than the cases that have not gone the way of the people fixing their own stuff?
I probably should have quantified that with any judge with common sense (or is it uncommon sense these days) would throw those cases out.
If my case went the wrong way for me, then I say bring on the jail time or fines. I'd gladly change a tire or oil in my car and risk a $700 fine, rather than have to pay a licensed mechanic $140 to come out and spend 15 minutes changing a tire.
In the software world, that's called piracy, in the US.
Remember, you are in a country that passed a massive, far reaching law that states exactly the opposite of what you call common sense. No matter how much you think it is obvious, common or just your rights, your legal system doesn't agree.
As with Piracy... they have to catch me first... Crap... My car just said I performed an illegal operation... Looks like the cops are on the way... I'll try to get internet from the big house so I can sell my story of changing my tire and getting jail time for it.
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While I realize that more and more things are computer controlled, that is why things like OBDII ports are included in cars and (I'd be surprised if not in some tractors by now) to help tell the owner (or licensed mechanic) what exactly is wrong, and what parts to replace, etc.My biggest concern are things that seem like (un)common sense are being legislated out of existence. Are you seeing this same kind of crap happening as you guys move about?
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
While I realize that more and more things are computer controlled, that is why things like OBDII ports are included in cars and (I'd be surprised if not in some tractors by now) to help tell the owner (or licensed mechanic) what exactly is wrong, and what parts to replace, etc.
But you might not have the legal right to replace the parts or fix things that are broken. And what happens when the parts are no longer available?
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
While I realize that more and more things are computer controlled, that is why things like OBDII ports are included in cars and (I'd be surprised if not in some tractors by now) to help tell the owner (or licensed mechanic) what exactly is wrong, and what parts to replace, etc.
But you might not have the legal right to replace the parts or fix things that are broken. And what happens when the parts are no longer available?
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
If the parts aren't available any more, then it's time to upgrade, lol.
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
If the parts aren't available any more, then it's time to upgrade, lol.
What if you bought it yesterday and it's a million dollar tractor?
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
If the parts aren't available any more, then it's time to upgrade, lol.
What if you bought it yesterday and it's a million dollar tractor?
That's part of the research you do before buying a million dollar tractor (or a million dollars worth of tractors).
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
True, totally unrelated. But would you throw your average user who is attempting to replace their hard drive in jail because they made the problem worse?
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
If the parts aren't available any more, then it's time to upgrade, lol.
What if you bought it yesterday and it's a million dollar tractor?
That's part of the research you do before buying a million dollar tractor (or a million dollars worth of tractors).
How do you research that? It's not open, so you can't research it with any reliability.
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
True, totally unrelated. But would you throw your average user who is attempting to replace their hard drive in jail because they made the problem worse?
That's what companies do, yes.
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
If the parts aren't available any more, then it's time to upgrade, lol.
What if you bought it yesterday and it's a million dollar tractor?
If things were open, then anybody with a 3d printer (or a friend with one) could have the part they need made for them... (or CNC machine if the part is metal, or RPi if the part is computerized [programming may be required, lol])
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
If the parts aren't available any more, then it's time to upgrade, lol.
What if you bought it yesterday and it's a million dollar tractor?
If things were open, then anybody with a 3d printer (or a friend with one) could have the part they need made for them... (or CNC machine if the part is metal, or RPi if the part is computerized [programming may be required, lol])
Exactly. If they were open. Hence the whole point.
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Or make an improved part. Or change how things work.
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
True, totally unrelated. But would you throw your average user who is attempting to replace their hard drive in jail because they made the problem worse?
That's what companies do, yes.
Arguably in this case, I'd call it a fine. "you attempted to fix it, and you made it worse. Now instead of $50 for a new hard drive, you have to pay $300 for a new motherboard and a new hard drive"
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
True, totally unrelated. But would you throw your average user who is attempting to replace their hard drive in jail because they made the problem worse?
That's what companies do, yes.
Arguably in this case, I'd call it a fine. "you attempted to fix it, and you made it worse. Now instead of $50 for a new hard drive, you have to pay $300 for a new motherboard and a new hard drive"
Making it worse is a red herring. It's "attempting to fix it" that is illegal in many cases. Just the attempt. The results are irrelevant.
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@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
True, totally unrelated. But would you throw your average user who is attempting to replace their hard drive in jail because they made the problem worse?
That's what companies do, yes.
Arguably in this case, I'd call it a fine. "you attempted to fix it, and you made it worse. Now instead of $50 for a new hard drive, you have to pay $300 for a new motherboard and a new hard drive"
But the whole point is that you can actually face jail time.
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@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@scottalanmiller said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
@dafyre said in PBS Digital: Should Everything be Open Source?:
They can throw me in jail. Thta's like telling a PC Repair Technician that they cannot replace a hard drive because it will void the warranty. Yeah? So?
No, this is totally unrelated to warranties.
True, totally unrelated. But would you throw your average user who is attempting to replace their hard drive in jail because they made the problem worse?
That's what companies do, yes.
Arguably in this case, I'd call it a fine. "you attempted to fix it, and you made it worse. Now instead of $50 for a new hard drive, you have to pay $300 for a new motherboard and a new hard drive"
But the whole point is that you can actually face jail time.
This is the reason some things need to be open (Is it me, or did we say all that and just go full circle?).
If I have the know how, or think I have the know how to fix something, why should I not be legally able to try? How do you learn, but by experience?
