Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II
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I go back and forth on wanting a dashcam...
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@brianlittlejohn said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
I go back and forth on wanting a dashcam...
I thought about it for a while, and opt'd against having one. Most of my driving experiences are boring so yeah.
Plus it's admissible evidence against you should you find your self talking to the law...
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
@brianlittlejohn said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
I go back and forth on wanting a dashcam...
Plus it's admissible evidence against you should you find your self talking to the law...
That is why I go back and forth on getting one.
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Which I find difficult to believe so many times... "I own it, and it's used against me."
IE: you have the right to not speak to an officer, but if you do it WILL be used against you.
Not that it may be used against you, but WILL.
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
@brianlittlejohn said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
I go back and forth on wanting a dashcam...
I thought about it for a while, and opt'd against having one. Most of my driving experiences are boring so yeah.
Plus it's admissible evidence against you should you find your self talking to the law...
Only if I talk to the officer. As recently linked in a video by someone. do not talk to the police. Ever.
Using a phone, actually makes it easier because they have no idea that it is an active camera. Unlike with a dedicated unit. -
@JaredBusch If the officer is arresting you, anything in your car is admissible as evidence. Even if you reserve your right to not talk to the office, the video is proof of whatever they are arresting you for.
No need to "speak" when the video does enough damage.
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Thats why If I got one I would want everything on the filesystem to be encrypted with a password.
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
@JaredBusch If the officer is arresting you, anything in your car is admissible as evidence. Even if you reserve your right to not talk to the office, the video is proof of whatever they are arresting you for.
No need to "speak" when the video does enough damage.
What video? There is no proof or hint of video. it was a phone mounted on my dashboard as a GPS like everyone does.
Also, if I was actually potentially getting arrested, I would wipe the phone prior to the officer even getting out of his car.
Standard operating procedure for any traffic stop for me is to reboot my iPhone. Because that forces TouchID to require a password.
The old S3 does not have that, so it would simply be wiped.
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@JaredBusch So long as you have a solution in place. No point in creating more evidence for the popo.
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Those things would only be applicable if you were actually DOING something you didn't want them to see.
Most of the time you'd want the camera rolling to protect yourself in the event things go bad, which they sometimes do. As evidenced in the video I posted last week.
People who are stopped and follow the letter of their civil rights are not looked upon nicely, for the most part.
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@BRRABill said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
Those things would only be applicable if you were actually DOING something you didn't want them to see.
Most of the time you'd want the camera rolling to protect yourself in the event things go bad, which they sometimes do. As evidenced in the video I posted last week.
People who are stopped and follow the letter of their civil rights are not looked upon nicely, for the most part.
You might not know you are doing something wrong, and if you make a mistake there is no reason to incriminate yourself. Police officers and government officials are hardly trustworthy. I am not saying they are all bad, but there are a high percentage that are out to get people.
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@BRRABill so there is a misunderstanding here.
Police don't enforce the law, they simply bring people in for the judiciary system to enforce the law on those people.
The cops in that video, the individuals broke the law, by unlawfully restraining that women. Even if they had the job to pull her over for speeding. The only thing they should've done was write the ticket and say good night.
Forcing or even attempting to force an admission on the curb side is not within the law. They took that on themselves, many officers do.
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@BRRABill said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
People who are stopped and follow the letter of their civil rights are not looked upon nicely, for the most part.
Which suggests that they aren't really rights.
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
@BRRABill so there is a misunderstanding here.
Police don't enforce the law, they simply bring people in for the judiciary system to enforce the law on those people.
The cops in that video, the individuals broke the law, by unlawfully restraining that women. Even if they had the job to pull her over for speeding. The only thing they should've done was write the ticket and say good night.
Forcing or even attempting to force an admission on the curb side is not within the law. They took that on themselves, many officers do.
My point being in the absence of video/audio proof, it's the Wild Wild West out there.
Unless the video was going to incriminate you, you'd want to it running and in your possession.
If you decide to roll your windows down a few inches and not talk to anyone, it would be best to have some video of what potentially happen next. AKA you getting dragged out of a car.
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@scottalanmiller said
Which suggests that they aren't really rights.
Well, they are. But you have a long hill to climb to prove so, in general.
And the police certainly don't make it easy for you, either.
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@BRRABill Really the police just need reminders.
If the women simply said "I'm reserving my right to not speak with you" the cop would've been pissed, wrote the ticket and left.
Many people forget that. Just provide a reminder. Being stubborn, and not explaining why is what got her arrested for "obstructing justice".
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@BRRABill said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
@scottalanmiller said
Which suggests that they aren't really rights.
Well, they are. But you have a long hill to climb to prove so, in general.
And the police certainly don't make it easy for you, either.
Yeah, that makes the term "right" more of a misnomer. We call them rights, but if they aren't assured, they are just "hopefuls."
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
@BRRABill Really the police just need reminders.
If the women simply said "I'm reserving my right to not speak with you" the cop would've been pissed, wrote the ticket and left.
Many people forget that. Just provide a reminder. Being stubborn, and not explaining why is what got her arrested for "obstructing justice".
Which, is again on the police for not knowing the law. As they should.
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@DustinB3403 said in Looking for a Dashcam with ODB II:
Many people forget that. Just provide a reminder. Being stubborn, and not explaining why is what got her arrested for "obstructing justice".
It's not your responsibility to do the cops' jobs for them. They are trained on the law. You have no responsibility to explain their limits to them. If a cop is breaking the law, reminding him that he is the criminal and not you, is not going to help in nearly all cases.
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Then again, I did once get pulled over for drunk driving and reminding the cop that it was him, not me, that had been drinking. That time it worked and he ran away.
