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    • coliverC
      coliver
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      Hosted fax all the way. Or keep a live POTS line just for faxing.

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      • gjacobseG
        gjacobse @coliver
        last edited by

        @coliver said in Faxing:

        Hosted fax all the way. Or keep a live POTS line just for faxing.

        Honestly - you would have much less stress and other issues if you use a POTS line.

        It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @coliver
          last edited by

          @coliver said in Faxing:

          Hosted fax all the way. Or keep a live POTS line just for faxing.

          This is pretty much what most people do. Sucks either way.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @gjacobse
            last edited by JaredBusch

            @gjacobse said in Faxing:

            It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

            This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

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            • coliverC
              coliver @JaredBusch
              last edited by

              @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

              @gjacobse said in Faxing:

              It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

              This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

              In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @coliver
                last edited by JaredBusch

                @coliver said in Faxing:

                @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                I am sure some people try to tell you that, but I have heard of any state that requires POTS in every business. Such a law would never pass a judicial review.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @coliver
                  last edited by

                  @coliver said in Faxing:

                  @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                  @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                  It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                  This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                  In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                  I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                  The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @gjacobse
                    last edited by

                    @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                    @coliver said in Faxing:

                    Hosted fax all the way. Or keep a live POTS line just for faxing.

                    Honestly - you would have much less stress and other issues if you use a POTS line.

                    It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                    Not if the PBX goes down. You'd have nothing that you didn't have before in that case.

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                    • JaredBuschJ
                      JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by JaredBusch

                      @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                      @coliver said in Faxing:

                      @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                      @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                      It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                      This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                      In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                      I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                      The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                      This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                      www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                      If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
                        last edited by JaredBusch

                        Now, what most states require is that a business provide valid 911 service.

                        This is simple. You pay your SIP provider their E911 fee, verify/validate your address. and you are done.

                        If you have more than one location coming into your PBX< you may have to buy more DID to have a route with a confirmed address for each location.

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                        • coliverC
                          coliver @JaredBusch
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                          @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                          @coliver said in Faxing:

                          @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                          @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                          It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                          This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                          In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                          I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                          The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                          This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                          www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                          If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                          That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @coliver
                            last edited by

                            @coliver said in Faxing:

                            @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                            @coliver said in Faxing:

                            @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                            @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                            It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                            This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                            In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                            I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                            The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                            This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                            www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                            If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                            That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                            There has never been a regulation anywhere that I have worked with VoIP.

                            That is a complete myth. See my previous post.

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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch @coliver
                              last edited by

                              @coliver said in Faxing:

                              @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                              @coliver said in Faxing:

                              @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                              @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                              It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                              This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                              In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                              I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                              The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                              This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                              www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                              If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                              That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                              Also, that is flawed logic. how do you communicate when the POTS line is down?

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                              • coliverC
                                coliver @JaredBusch
                                last edited by

                                @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                @coliver said in Faxing:

                                @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                @coliver said in Faxing:

                                @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                There has never been a regulation anywhere that I have worked with VoIP.

                                That is a complete myth. See my previous post.

                                That's fine, appreciate the info.

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                                • coliverC
                                  coliver @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                  @coliver said in Faxing:

                                  @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                  @coliver said in Faxing:

                                  @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                  @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                  It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                  This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                  In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                  I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                  The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                  This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                  www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                  If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                  That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                  Also, that is flawed logic. how do you communicate when the POTS line is down?

                                  Where we live the POTS line is much more reliable then the internet line. I get where you're coming from though. I can see where my thinking is flawed I appreciate you pointing it out.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @coliver
                                    last edited by

                                    @coliver said in Faxing:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                    @coliver said in Faxing:

                                    @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                    @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                    It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                    This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                    In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                    I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                    The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                    This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                    www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                    If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                    That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                    Ah yes, means to communicate, definitely. But that it needs to be POTS is what I've never seen.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                                      last edited by

                                      @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                      @coliver said in Faxing:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                      @coliver said in Faxing:

                                      @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                      @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                      It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                      This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                      In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                      I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                      The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                      This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                      www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                      If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                      That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                      Also, that is flawed logic. how do you communicate when the POTS line is down?

                                      Which in NY is relatively often.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @coliver
                                        last edited by

                                        @coliver said in Faxing:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                        @coliver said in Faxing:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                        @coliver said in Faxing:

                                        @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                        @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                        It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                        This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                        In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                        I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                        The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                        This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                        www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                        If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                        That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                        Also, that is flawed logic. how do you communicate when the POTS line is down?

                                        Where we live the POTS line is much more reliable then the internet line. I get where you're coming from though. I can see where my thinking is flawed I appreciate you pointing it out.

                                        I've had POTS outages in NY going into the months range. Rare, but it happens.

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                                        • coliverC
                                          coliver @scottalanmiller
                                          last edited by coliver

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                          @coliver said in Faxing:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                          @coliver said in Faxing:

                                          @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                          @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                          It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                          This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                          In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                          I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                          The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                          This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                          www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                          If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                          That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                          Ah yes, means to communicate, definitely. But that it needs to be POTS is what I've never seen.

                                          Right, I don't think I've ever seen the POTS requirement, that's my bad for saying it. Just that it was the only thing that made sense in our area. Cell service is basically non-existent and the internet is unreliable.

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                                          • JaredBuschJ
                                            JaredBusch @coliver
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                                            @coliver said in Faxing:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                            @coliver said in Faxing:

                                            @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Faxing:

                                            @coliver said in Faxing:

                                            @JaredBusch said in Faxing:

                                            @gjacobse said in Faxing:

                                            It would also serve as a 'fail over' should your ISP or PBX go down.

                                            This is completely backwards thinking. Why in the hell would you want to fail back to POTS from a pure SIP system? The maintenance and setup alone make it not worth it compared to simply having your provider route calls to a failover number. For your outbound calling, Critical needs can be handled with a cell phone until backup methods of connectivity restore calling via SIP.

                                            In NYS, from the 911 laws/rules that I read, the business is required to provide a POTS line in the event of emergencies.

                                            I've heard of this as a common myth, never heard anyone substantiate it. I believe that I've seen it disproved before, but cannot think of where.

                                            The number of companies that don't or can't have a POTS line is pretty big. This isn't a viable law, IMHO.

                                            This is a recent study produced by NYS and clearly indicates how much POTS connectivity is dropping.

                                            www.dps.ny.gov/TelStudy

                                            If it were possible to actually require by law people to have traditional POTS, then this would not be happening.

                                            That's good to know. From my understanding it was basically a requirement that you needed a means of communicating with the outside world in the event of an emergency. The under-tone was that it was expected that businesses would have POTS to facilitate that. It may have been an old regulation that has been unenforced or was never on the books. Thanks for the info.

                                            Ah yes, means to communicate, definitely. But that it needs to be POTS is what I've never seen.

                                            Right, I don't think I've ever seen the POTS requirement, that's my bad for saying it. Just that it was the only thing that made sense in our area. Cell service is basically non-existent and the internet is unreliable.

                                            After looking at that PDF, I have a feeling I know where you live.
                                            They had pretty state graphs of coverage for various services.

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