Web Application VS Windows Application
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@IT-ADMIN said:
3- no body use OS other than windows
This is circular reasoning. You are forcing people to use Windows by only making Windows app, then using the fact that they were forced to do it to justify locking them in again.
Maybe if you made tools that worked other places, they would use other things, like iPhones, Android phones, Linux tablets, Chromebooks, etc.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US, you are very developed country, do not compare your country with the third world, there is a big difference especially in technology
Which is why you should be even more concerned about being efficient than other people. The devastating effects of bad business decisions are much more dangerous in the third world where the loss of money is more heavily felt. You are using having a lack of resources as an excuse to throw resources away and be more heavily indebted to technology decisions. That logic is backwards.
This is a very dangerous mindset - to start acting like the third world should not do things "as well" as the first world. What do you think causes one to be first world and one to be third world in the first place? That kind of mentality. Instead of excusing why things are done poorly, why not take advantage of the lessons and known successes of others and leverage that to your benefit?
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@IT-ADMIN said:
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US
I'm not in the US, by the way. I'm much closer to you. I'm only 150 miles off of Libya.
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I had someone do the same thing with education this week. Their excuse for getting a bad education and throwing away opportunities was because they were "poor" and could not do the things that "rich people" did. But rich people got rich by doing smart things with their careers and education. If people truly want to succeed, they should look to the successful and emulate the things that make them successful. Most rich people used to be poor and have a lot to teach.
Same goes for first world and third world countries. First world countries often get that way by working better. Not harder, everyone works about the same. More or less. But by investing well, building businesses that make sense, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
we are in the third world so i think stuff are more easier than yours in US
I'm not in the US, by the way. I'm much closer to you. I'm only 150 miles off of Libya.
so i geuss you are now in Italy ?? but you are a US citizen and you have long experience in US or maybe in Europe ??
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@IT-ADMIN said:
so i geuss you are now in Italy ?? but you are a US citizen and you have long experience in US or maybe in Europe ??
Crete, much, much poorer than Italy. Italy is closer to Algeria, I'm very near Libya, the Libyan Sea is within walking distance.
Yes, I have experience in the US and in Europe. But also in Nicaragua and countries much poorer than where you are. That experience is what you should leverage, not ignore. I'm very aware of how companies do things well in demanding markets and how companies in poor markets could take advantage of that knowledge to succeed where others fail.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i understand what you mean Dear Scott, but a website whether it be an application or just blog or whatever... people still consider it a website and still expect to see effect and nice design on it (i'm talking about general public),
in our days website get more and more attractive in term of effects and flash .... so these modern website has created a culture which is : a website must have at least an acceptable level of design, otherwise they will consider it a piece of scrap even if it is running a strong coding and data management system,
this is what I meanYou can have a beautiful, functional website that is composed of html tables used the right way. I know this isn't the point you're trying to make but I just want to throw it out there
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I learned some C++ back in the day and probably forgot all of that. But if you want, check out a product called Ironspeed Designer. It is pretty awesome. http://www.ironspeed.com/products/Overview.aspx#gsc.tab=0
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I learned C in 1989, I think.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I learned C in 1989, I think.
It was Turbo Pascal for me, in 1996. Toss in a course in assembly for good measure. I was never great at programming, never grokked the advanced algorithms, which is the real key to being a good code monkey.
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I started on GW-BASIC on DOS 1.
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I found a book on QBasic when I was in 7th grade and started with that. I really don't do any programming though, I need to start learning more.
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I did most of my BASIC work with Amiga BASIC.
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what do you think Dear Scott of python programming language, i heard interesting things about it, also it is portable,
also what is the best IDE (has to be drag and drop GUI builder) i can use to make GUI application with it ??
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@IT-ADMIN said:
what do you think Dear Scott of python programming language, i heard interesting things about it, also it is portable,
also what is the best IDE (has to be drag and drop GUI builder) i can use to make GUI application with it ??
I've used python a little bit with a RaspberriPi doing sensor and light type things. I don't know that it'd be very good for doing GUI, but I'd look at Eclipse by the way of pydev.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
what do you think Dear Scott of python programming language, i heard interesting things about it, also it is portable,
Python isn't the "coolest" language, it has been around long enough to be "old and boring."
But if you read my stuff, I push it hard as the best "first" language for people to learn. It is advanced, mature, broadly available, reasonably fast and very rich in features.It is indeed fully portable, as much as any language is. And it has powerful frameworks like Django, too.
Python is an excellent choice. It is in the same family of modern languages like Ruby, JavaScript and Go.
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i just took a look on Qt Designer, it looks good, anyone use it before??
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@travisdh1 said:
I've used python a little bit with a RaspberriPi doing sensor and light type things. I don't know that it'd be very good for doing GUI, but I'd look at Eclipse by the way of pydev.
Well he should not be doing a GUI in the traditional sense, we are pretty sure from the full discussion that he should be using a web interface and whatever language he uses would just be server side.
Python will do fat GUI on the desktop just fine, it's actually well known for that and will even work with the Windows toolset via IronPython. But that's not what I would recommend here.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i just took a look on Qt Designer, it looks good, anyone use it before??
Qt Designer is very good, but again... I can't stress this enough, unless you must make old fashioned desktop apps, don't do it. Using the Q Toolkit (Qt) is a great step making the apps cross-platform, but it doesn't address making them modern.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
I've used python a little bit with a RaspberriPi doing sensor and light type things. I don't know that it'd be very good for doing GUI, but I'd look at Eclipse by the way of pydev.
Well he should not be doing a GUI in the traditional sense, we are pretty sure from the full discussion that he should be using a web interface and whatever language he uses would just be server side.
Python will do fat GUI on the desktop just fine, it's actually well known for that and will even work with the Windows toolset via IronPython. But that's not what I would recommend here.
And that is why I don't do programming, don't know about this stuff. Might have to check out IronPython.
