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    • JaredBuschJ
      JaredBusch
      last edited by

      I would add that I do have a box by my desk that I will be spinning up XS on (again) and then probably testing out XO and XOA.

      I am certainly not against more solutions. I change over time just like technology does.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403
        last edited by DustinB3403

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        Forcing another backup.

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403
          last edited by

          And another forced backup.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @DustinB3403
            last edited by

            @DustinB3403 said:

            @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

            But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

            I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

            How many VM hosts do you have to backup? Veeam for small 3 or fewer hosts is like $900/host.

            Were they dropping their jaws at that? also, do they care about their data? how much is the data worth? if it isn't 10X or more, I'd be surprised.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403
              last edited by

              Now on the next force, all of the delta's should "disappear" and get compressed into a single full. If I understand it correctly.

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              • olivierO
                olivier @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 only the oldest delta!

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                • olivierO
                  olivier
                  last edited by

                  Remember:

                  Then:

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @DustinB3403
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403 said:

                    Now on the next force, all of the delta's should "disappear" and get compressed into a single full. If I understand it correctly.

                    so then you are left with either one state for restoring, or possibly two (if one, obviously only the most recent, if two, the most recent and either the previously most recent or the original full backup).

                    This is not what I'm looking for.

                    If I take hourly delta backups, I want to go back 3 hours and restore from there, not be limited only to the most recent backup.

                    it's just a feature I want.

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                    • DustinB3403D
                      DustinB3403
                      last edited by

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                      • olivierO
                        olivier @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said:

                        @DustinB3403 said:

                        If I take hourly delta backups, I want to go back 3 hours and restore from there, not be limited only to the most recent backup.

                        it's just a feature I want.

                        This is exactly how it works 🙂

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                        • olivierO
                          olivier @DustinB3403
                          last edited by

                          @DustinB3403 That's it: you said 3 backups max, you got 3 backups. You can restore any of them.

                          If you choose the restore the full: we'll import the full.
                          If you choose to restore the first delta: we'll import the full then import the delta.
                          Etc.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender I think you're missing it.

                            I have a very short roll over (3 before it compresses) you can also use the default backup functionality as well.

                            Plus you still have the option of agent based backups to backup at the file level if you need that.

                            @olivier could better explain the different backup functions.

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                            • olivierO
                              olivier
                              last edited by

                              Go read the blog post: https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/continuous-delta-backup/

                              If it's not clear enough, come back here 🙂

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                In a production roll for this with something like a file server, I'd likely keep 24 Delta's (on the hour) to restore from any hour and then roll over.

                                But I'd still use Shadow Protect to perform File level restores on the VM. (because we already own it)

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                                • olivierO
                                  olivier
                                  last edited by olivier

                                  So you'll have 24 files per VM disk: 1 full vhd and 23 delta. Each new backup will:

                                  • create a new delta vhd file
                                  • merge the oldest delta vhd in the full
                                  • remove this oldest delta

                                  You will be able to restore any of those 24 last backup.

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                    last edited by

                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    @Dashrender I think you're missing it.

                                    I have a very short roll over (3 before it compresses) you can also use the default backup functionality as well.

                                    Plus you still have the option of agent based backups to backup at the file level if you need that.

                                    @olivier could better explain the different backup functions.

                                    What does file level backups/restores? XO? or something else I have to provide?

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @DustinB3403 said:

                                      @Dashrender I think you're missing it.

                                      I have a very short roll over (3 before it compresses) you can also use the default backup functionality as well.

                                      Plus you still have the option of agent based backups to backup at the file level if you need that.

                                      @olivier could better explain the different backup functions.

                                      What does file level backups/restores? XO? or something else I have to provide?

                                      Nothing in XO would be able to do file level backups, it works at the hypervisor level. You'd have to have another solution for file level backups.

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                                      • olivierO
                                        olivier
                                        last edited by olivier

                                        Exactly, you can't do file-level backup without an agent installed on your VM!

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @olivier
                                          last edited by

                                          @olivier said:

                                          Exactly, you can't do file-level backup without an agent installed on your VM!

                                          I Fixed that for you.

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                                          • olivierO
                                            olivier
                                            last edited by

                                            Totally ^^

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