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    • olivierO
      olivier @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 Please display the content of the vdi folder, that's where it's interesting 😉

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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        @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

        But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

        I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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          @DustinB3403 said:

          @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

          But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

          I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

          Did you calculate all your hours working on your chosen solution and added that cost up?

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @olivier
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            @olivier Sorry about that, forgot that one.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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              @JaredBusch said:

              @DustinB3403 said:

              @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

              But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

              I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

              Did you calculate all your hours working on your chosen solution and added that cost up?

              It's a drop in the bucket compared to what the backup solution would cost for us.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch
                last edited by

                I would add that I do have a box by my desk that I will be spinning up XS on (again) and then probably testing out XO and XOA.

                I am certainly not against more solutions. I change over time just like technology does.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by DustinB3403

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                  Forcing another backup.

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                  • DustinB3403D
                    DustinB3403
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                    And another forced backup.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said:

                      @JaredBusch I don't disagree not in the least.

                      But with the organization that I'm in, I know the conversation of cost of our backup's would come up and a way to reduce that cost.

                      I've mentioned Veeam and said hey, this is proven, but cost X dollars, and had jaws drop.

                      How many VM hosts do you have to backup? Veeam for small 3 or fewer hosts is like $900/host.

                      Were they dropping their jaws at that? also, do they care about their data? how much is the data worth? if it isn't 10X or more, I'd be surprised.

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                      • DustinB3403D
                        DustinB3403
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                        Now on the next force, all of the delta's should "disappear" and get compressed into a single full. If I understand it correctly.

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                        • olivierO
                          olivier @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 only the oldest delta!

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                          • olivierO
                            olivier
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                            Remember:

                            Then:

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                              @DustinB3403 said:

                              Now on the next force, all of the delta's should "disappear" and get compressed into a single full. If I understand it correctly.

                              so then you are left with either one state for restoring, or possibly two (if one, obviously only the most recent, if two, the most recent and either the previously most recent or the original full backup).

                              This is not what I'm looking for.

                              If I take hourly delta backups, I want to go back 3 hours and restore from there, not be limited only to the most recent backup.

                              it's just a feature I want.

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                              • DustinB3403D
                                DustinB3403
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                                • olivierO
                                  olivier @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @Dashrender said:

                                  @DustinB3403 said:

                                  If I take hourly delta backups, I want to go back 3 hours and restore from there, not be limited only to the most recent backup.

                                  it's just a feature I want.

                                  This is exactly how it works 🙂

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                                  • olivierO
                                    olivier @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 That's it: you said 3 backups max, you got 3 backups. You can restore any of them.

                                    If you choose the restore the full: we'll import the full.
                                    If you choose to restore the first delta: we'll import the full then import the delta.
                                    Etc.

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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                                      @Dashrender I think you're missing it.

                                      I have a very short roll over (3 before it compresses) you can also use the default backup functionality as well.

                                      Plus you still have the option of agent based backups to backup at the file level if you need that.

                                      @olivier could better explain the different backup functions.

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                                      • olivierO
                                        olivier
                                        last edited by

                                        Go read the blog post: https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/continuous-delta-backup/

                                        If it's not clear enough, come back here 🙂

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
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                                          In a production roll for this with something like a file server, I'd likely keep 24 Delta's (on the hour) to restore from any hour and then roll over.

                                          But I'd still use Shadow Protect to perform File level restores on the VM. (because we already own it)

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                                          • olivierO
                                            olivier
                                            last edited by olivier

                                            So you'll have 24 files per VM disk: 1 full vhd and 23 delta. Each new backup will:

                                            • create a new delta vhd file
                                            • merge the oldest delta vhd in the full
                                            • remove this oldest delta

                                            You will be able to restore any of those 24 last backup.

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