RemixOS -- Android for the PC
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@Dashrender agree'd (only because my brain is done for today)
@dafyre "Oyh asshat I need to reboot in 2 minutes at 4AM (says all of the DCs)"
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@DustinB3403 said:
@Kelly .... data service the thing you need to patch the device, unless you have access to WiFi...
As I said, I don't have good answers for any of this. I only know it is a problem, and only Google potentially has the reach to do something about it.
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Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
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I wonder how the Amazon guided Fire ecosystem stacks up in that regard?
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I posted a picture of their ultra tablet on here a while ago. It's a pretty cool idea. I've used my android tablet with a mouse and keyboard before and it's not too too bad, but this would make it a lot better.
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@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I wonder how the Amazon guided Fire ecosystem stacks up in that regard?
didn't they kill the phone line?
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I wonder how the Amazon guided Fire ecosystem stacks up in that regard?
didn't they kill the phone line?
No idea. Never looked at it. I interviewed with the guy that invented the Amazon Fire Phone, you know!
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I wonder how the Amazon guided Fire ecosystem stacks up in that regard?
didn't they kill the phone line?
No idea. Never looked at it. I interviewed with the guy that invented the Amazon Fire Phone, you know!
For a job?
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@johnhooks said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
I wonder how the Amazon guided Fire ecosystem stacks up in that regard?
didn't they kill the phone line?
No idea. Never looked at it. I interviewed with the guy that invented the Amazon Fire Phone, you know!
For a job?
Yes
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I thought you said they didn't pay enough and ignored all their calls?
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@johnhooks said:
I thought you said they didn't pay enough and ignored all their calls?
They upped the ante. But I didn't take the job. They paid for a nice trip to Seattle, though, including time for me to sightsee for a few days. Had a nice time, it was my first time to the Pacific Northwest. It was a few weeks before I interviewed with Facebook for Dublin. This would have been in 2014 for both.
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@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to. -
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to.I get monthly security updates on my Nexus, that's pretty prompt. What current vulnerabilities for the Nexus line are you referring to?
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@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to.I get monthly security updates on my Nexus, that's pretty prompt. What current vulnerabilities for the Nexus line are you referring to?
That's pretty frequent, prompt is determined by how long they've been waiting to get sent to you. They could come monthly but already be very old.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to.I get monthly security updates on my Nexus, that's pretty prompt. What current vulnerabilities for the Nexus line are you referring to?
That's pretty frequent, prompt is determined by how long they've been waiting to get sent to you. They could come monthly but already be very old.
Here's January's bulletin. Looks like the earliest posted date was September.
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2016-01-01.html
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@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to.I get monthly security updates on my Nexus, that's pretty prompt. What current vulnerabilities for the Nexus line are you referring to?
The most recent one is Stagefright: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagefright_(bug).
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@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to.I get monthly security updates on my Nexus, that's pretty prompt. What current vulnerabilities for the Nexus line are you referring to?
The most recent one is Stagefright: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagefright_(bug).
That's been patched on the Nexus. I guess my point is, you know which vulnerabilities are on android because people can view the source. What vulnerabilities are on IOS or WP? Who knows?
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@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@johnhooks said:
@Kelly said:
@scottalanmiller said:
Not really, Google doesn't own the Android code and cannot really enforce anything. Anything they put in, someone else can remove. Google oversees the ecosystem but has no means of enforcing control.
True, but they can do more to influence and guide Android than any other single organization. Given the number of security flaws that occur in the Nexus lines they are not doing well enough to put any pressure on the OEMs. If they started marketing Nexus as the most secure Android (and made it so) platform, then there could be pushback from the marketplace.
What security flaws in the nexus line? They're the most secure of all of them. They get the updates immediately and constantly. It's the others who need to rely on carriers that are less secure.
Most secure does not equal secure
That is my point. Google does fix a lot of vulnerabilities, but they don't always fix them as promptly as they seem to expect others to.I get monthly security updates on my Nexus, that's pretty prompt. What current vulnerabilities for the Nexus line are you referring to?
The most recent one is Stagefright: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagefright_(bug).
That's been patched on the Nexus. I guess my point is, you know which vulnerabilities are on android because people can view the source. What vulnerabilities are on IOS or WP? Who knows?
I'm not sure what you mean? There was a vulnerability in OpenSSL for something like 15 years and it was completely open source.
The only difference is that ONCE it's discovered, you can check to see if it's been patched.
But can you really say that about modern phone OSs? Is the complete source for what is installed on the Nexus available for public review? Maybe it is, I have no clue.
