Burned by Eschewing Best Practices
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
The exact wording YOU used was FreeBSD is never as good as FreeNAS, but is nearly always better than everything else.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but better compared to nearly everything else.
Read that statement. You are literally saying that FreeNAS is better than everything except for FreeBSD!
This sums up the issue. You state why I am right then state the opposite.
You can't truly believe that "nearly everything else" is "everything else."
So when people say that they are "nearly to your house", you think that they are literally already in your house? When someone says that they are nearly asleep you believe that they are literally asleep and telling you that in their sleep? When you nearly lose an eye, you believe that their eye is actually gone? When you nearly get fired, you believe that you were actually fired?
No, but look at your statement.
You leave it to the reader to determine what not only "nearly" means for the conversation at hand, but what what everything else is.
Hear let me read it back to you, to show I understand your statement.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but FreeNAS is better compared to nearly everything else.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
The exact wording YOU used was FreeBSD is never as good as FreeNAS, but is nearly always better than everything else.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but better compared to nearly everything else.
Read that statement. You are literally saying that FreeNAS is better than everything except for FreeBSD!
This sums up the issue. You state why I am right then state the opposite.
You can't truly believe that "nearly everything else" is "everything else."
So when people say that they are "nearly to your house", you think that they are literally already in your house? When someone says that they are nearly asleep you believe that they are literally asleep and telling you that in their sleep? When you nearly lose an eye, you believe that their eye is actually gone? When you nearly get fired, you believe that you were actually fired?
No, but look at your statement.
You leave it to the reader to determine what not only "nearly" means for the conversation at hand, but what what everything else is.
Hear let me read it back to you, to show I understand your statement.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but FreeNAS is better compared to nearly everything else.
Right, nearly everything else. Not everything, just most things. Clearly not saying what you keep thinking that it said. In no way, none, does it suggest or imply "everything." The word "nearly" is there to ensure that no one could possible make that mistake.
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
The exact wording YOU used was FreeBSD is never as good as FreeNAS, but is nearly always better than everything else.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but better compared to nearly everything else.
Read that statement. You are literally saying that FreeNAS is better than everything except for FreeBSD!
This sums up the issue. You state why I am right then state the opposite.
You can't truly believe that "nearly everything else" is "everything else."
So when people say that they are "nearly to your house", you think that they are literally already in your house? When someone says that they are nearly asleep you believe that they are literally asleep and telling you that in their sleep? When you nearly lose an eye, you believe that their eye is actually gone? When you nearly get fired, you believe that you were actually fired?
No, but look at your statement.
You leave it to the reader to determine what not only "nearly" means for the conversation at hand, but what what everything else is.
Hear let me read it back to you, to show I understand your statement.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but FreeNAS is better compared to nearly everything else.
Right, nearly everything else. Not everything, just most things. Clearly not saying what you keep thinking that it said. In no way, none, does it suggest or imply "everything." The word "nearly" is there to ensure that no one could possible make that mistake.
I wonder if @DustinB3403 might be looking for a scope of some times... "...nearly everything else..."
Better than a bath? ... a car wash? a new laptop... ? (okay, obviously I'm stretching it here, but my point is made)... what are you comparing FreeNAS (and by Extension FreeBSD to) ?
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
The exact wording YOU used was FreeBSD is never as good as FreeNAS, but is nearly always better than everything else.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but better compared to nearly everything else.
Read that statement. You are literally saying that FreeNAS is better than everything except for FreeBSD!
This sums up the issue. You state why I am right then state the opposite.
You can't truly believe that "nearly everything else" is "everything else."
So when people say that they are "nearly to your house", you think that they are literally already in your house? When someone says that they are nearly asleep you believe that they are literally asleep and telling you that in their sleep? When you nearly lose an eye, you believe that their eye is actually gone? When you nearly get fired, you believe that you were actually fired?
No, but look at your statement.
You leave it to the reader to determine what not only "nearly" means for the conversation at hand, but what what everything else is.
Hear let me read it back to you, to show I understand your statement.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but FreeNAS is better compared to nearly everything else.
Right, nearly everything else. Not everything, just most things. Clearly not saying what you keep thinking that it said. In no way, none, does it suggest or imply "everything." The word "nearly" is there to ensure that no one could possible make that mistake.
But it is open to say that FreeNAS is better then say Synology, or even the most high end NAS's ever.
You need to provide exact context in these statements or your words will be used against you. And people will make calls based on things you've said, but left open ended.
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@dafyre said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
The exact wording YOU used was FreeBSD is never as good as FreeNAS, but is nearly always better than everything else.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but better compared to nearly everything else.
Read that statement. You are literally saying that FreeNAS is better than everything except for FreeBSD!
This sums up the issue. You state why I am right then state the opposite.
You can't truly believe that "nearly everything else" is "everything else."
So when people say that they are "nearly to your house", you think that they are literally already in your house? When someone says that they are nearly asleep you believe that they are literally asleep and telling you that in their sleep? When you nearly lose an eye, you believe that their eye is actually gone? When you nearly get fired, you believe that you were actually fired?
No, but look at your statement.
You leave it to the reader to determine what not only "nearly" means for the conversation at hand, but what what everything else is.
Hear let me read it back to you, to show I understand your statement.
FreeNAS is worse compared to FreeBSD, but FreeNAS is better compared to nearly everything else.
Right, nearly everything else. Not everything, just most things. Clearly not saying what you keep thinking that it said. In no way, none, does it suggest or imply "everything." The word "nearly" is there to ensure that no one could possible make that mistake.
I wonder if @DustinB3403 might be looking for a scope of some times... "...nearly everything else..."
Better than a bath? ... a car wash? a new laptop... ? (okay, obviously I'm stretching it here, but my point is made)... what are you comparing FreeNAS (and by Extension FreeBSD to) ?
Scope might be useful, but if there is a question of scope, you ask. You can't just make up that a lack of defined scope "means" something that isn't said.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
But it is open to say that FreeNAS is better then say Synology, or even the most high end NAS's ever.
You need to provide exact context in these statements or your words will be used against you. And people will make calls based on things you've said, but left open ended.
It's open to asking. But the statement that FreeNAS is better than Synology specifically was not made and there is no room, none, for claiming that it was. None. Nada. Not even kind of. Is it better? Maybe. Was it said? In no way whatsoever.
You are mistaking the possibility for things to be better or worse than FreeNAS for thinking that they factually are.
Let's reverse it. You claim that by not stating that Synology is NOT better, that it must be worse. Obviously that is insane, what if a new product comes out that I didn't have access to to list, does that automatically make it worse by the nature of my not having mentioned it in the past? Clearly not, that's nutty.
Now let's say that since I said FreeNAS was "nearly" the best option, that since that, too, is open ended to you, by that logic I have also said that Synology "must be better" than FreeNAS.
See how insane that is? The logic that you use to say that the open ended nature lets you say anything is worse, also lets you say that everything is better. Since you have taken a lack of explicit list to create an implicit list that you make up, there is no end to what you can claim and anything in one direction is equally in the other. You've created a paradox through the misunderstanding of the language.
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If Johnny, nearly won the race it does not tell you who won and who lost, only that more people were slower than him than were faster, assuming four or more people are in the race.
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@scottalanmiller said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
But it is open to say that FreeNAS is better then say Synology, or even the most high end NAS's ever.
You need to provide exact context in these statements or your words will be used against you. And people will make calls based on things you've said, but left open ended.
It's open to asking. But the statement that FreeNAS is better than Synology specifically was not made and there is no room, none, for claiming that it was. None. Nada. Not even kind of. Is it better? Maybe. Was it said? In no way whatsoever.
You are mistaking the possibility for things to be better or worse than FreeNAS for thinking that they factually are.
Let's reverse it. You claim that by not stating that Synology is NOT better, that it must be worse. Obviously that is insane, what if a new product comes out that I didn't have access to to list, does that automatically make it worse by the nature of my not having mentioned it in the past? Clearly not, that's nutty.
Now let's say that since I said FreeNAS was "nearly" the best option, that since that, too, is open ended to you, by that logic I have also said that Synology "must be better" than FreeNAS.
See how insane that is? The logic that you use to say that the open ended nature lets you say anything is worse, also lets you say that everything is better. Since you have taken a lack of explicit list to create an implicit list that you make up, there is no end to what you can claim and anything in one direction is equally in the other. You've created a paradox through the misunderstanding of the language.
Scott my argument with your statement is you left it open ended, to interpretation or question. Unless someone goes out of their way to specifically ask what "everything else is" then they are right to assume that FreeBSD is the best, FreeNAS is second best and everything else can suck eggs.
There is no confusion about what you've typed. None. This is your typing matter that is the issue.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
Scott my argument with your statement is you left it open ended, to interpretation or question.
Right, and your argument is totally wrong. It's not open to interpretation. You are confused as to how English works and your entire point is invalid. Open does not mean you get to change what was said to something else. You need to step back and look at the English. This is not a technical thing, this is not an ambiguity thing, this is very, very basic English and exactly like I showed in my examples. You want to make what I said wrong so badly that you're not even making sense.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
Unless someone goes out of their way to specifically ask what "everything else is" then they are right to assume that FreeBSD is the best, FreeNAS is second best and everything else can suck eggs.
Totally wrong, totally, in every sense. Nothing to do with technology, just your English is wrong. You need to stop discussing this here, this is not the community to help you with English comprehension. You need to sit down with a dictionary or find an English language community. I'm not trying to mean or funny, I'm dead serious. This is a problem that could cause real job or life problems believing that this means what you think that it does. You need to get this figured out, but it isn't something I'm able to teach you.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
There is no confusion about what you've typed. None. This is your typing matter that is the issue.
There is nothing but confusion. It's that simple. You have even stated clearly that you don't know what "nearly" or "almost" mean. You it directly, that you thought, and still do, that "nearly" = "always" which is exactly wrong.
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This guy thinks that financial traders should run "loads of Java apps" and that he has high spec workstations yet doesn't have SSDs!
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1949520-lots-of-applications-using-java-performance-issues
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And another case (likely trolling) of which someone bought servers first and is now trying to determine the best array configuration.
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@DustinB3403 said in Burned by Eschewing Best Practices:
And another case (likely trolling) of which someone bought servers first and is now trying to determine the best array configuration.
Couple of those this week.
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https://mangolassi.it/topic/12378/gitlab-in-massive-data-loss-with-no-working-backups/
Doesn't get much more burned than this one.
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This is going to go downhill quickly. No response yet.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1962353-storage-spaces-and-iscsis
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https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1964263-freenas-how-to-resilver-now
BPs Missed:
- Ran RAID 5
- Use a NAS OS
And then additionally got hit with mistakes caused by the additional complexity of using software RAID instead of hardware RAID. Nothing wrong with software RAID per se but it requires experience and you take risks that you will be able to manage it correctly. That failed here.
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Corrupted VHDX SQL File Server
Practices Eschewed:
Taking a live copy of the VHDX (not powering off the VM)
Not using a proper backup approach for both file level and block level
Not fact checking what the vendor sold and installed. -
RAID 5 in production.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1965431-need-data-from-raid-5-without-os
Important Note: OP was stuck with it and had nothing to do with the disaster. They are just the ones reporting it.
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Ouch this one is bad......
First, whoever set the server up:
- RAID 5
- RAID with only three disks
- Really cheap components
- No backups
- No virtualization
- Database on parity
- No installation media
Second, once the RAID failed and they called in the "tech" and the disaster continued:
- Didn't immediately take a backup
- Didn't properly replace the failed disk
- Ran filesystem checks and other intensive disk activity while the RAID was degraded
- Rebooted a degraded system
- Doesn't know the basics of the technologies he's there to work on
- Misusing really basic terms, like calling things VHDs when there is no virtualization (heard a term, repeated it)
- Didn't call someone in to help when he say stuff he didn't know about, just started mucking about.
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1966285-dell-perc-h310-and-disk-failures
Adrian let him have it, and he earned it. He took a bad situation and drove it into the ground.
