how to move VM from vmware workstation to hyper-V
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it looks like XenServer was a bad choice for me, especially for my specific need which is hosting freePBX and pfSense, none of them existed in Xenserver template, this mean that they will be full viritualized and not taking benefit of paravirtularized unless you have deep knowledge in both Linux and freeBSD to make a custom kernel and some other scary staff that someone like me cannot do it,
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the key fearture of xenserver is PV and what make people to choose over other hypervisors is PV, so if i will be deprived from this powerful feature (because the VM i want to host cannot be PV easily and require deep knowledge which is not the case with me) then i have to change the hypervisor since i can't take benefit from it.
so what is the best hypervisor for these kind of distro like freePBX and pfsense ???
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@IT-ADMIN said:
it looks like XenServer was a bad choice for me, especially for my specific need which is hosting freePBX and pfSense, none of them existed in Xenserver template, this mean that they will be full viritualized and not taking benefit of paravirtularized unless you have deep knowledge in both Linux and freeBSD to make a custom kernel and some other scary staff that someone like me cannot do it,
That would not make XenServer a bad choice in any way. It would, at very worst, make it an equal choice. Equal is not bad. If you went with HyperV, you'd have this limitation always.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
the key fearture of xenserver is PV and what make people to choose over other hypervisors is PV...
That's an incredibly misleading statement. It's correct, but misleading. It is true that PV is the most key feature. However, XenServer is still more mature, easier to use, more powerful, more flexible and has many other unique features making it better than HyperV (in those ways.)
You state this as if losing one feature, because it is a key one, would make HyperV a better choice. But what benefits does HyperV have that make you feel that way with or without PV?
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@IT-ADMIN said:
... then i have to change the hypervisor since i can't take benefit from it.
This part of the statement is a logical fallacy. This should in no way be the conclusion that you reached from the statement that you made.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
so what is the best hypervisor for these kind of distro like freePBX and pfsense ???
Xen
HyperV is okay, but Xen is better when dealing with these kinds of workloads. HyperV has no benefits here.
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@scottalanmiller said:
But what benefits does HyperV have that make you feel that way with or without PV?
with Xen i have the issue of unknown IP in my XenCenter which is due to Xenserver tool that i'm unable to install in freePBX nor pfSense, and maybe i will have more issues caused by this disability to install Xenserver tool
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the fact that i cannot setup xenserver tool makes me feel that the XenServer will not work normally as expected, because it is not made to be hosting fully virtualized
i think that full virtualization for Xen is something abnormal, isn't it ??? -
also in performance screen i have this message : To view memory data for this VM, you need to install XenServer Tool
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i don't know why they didn't make PV drivers available for all type of OS and distro ???
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The question is - who makes the PV drivers, Xen or the hardware manufacturer?
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@IT-ADMIN said:
@scottalanmiller said:
But what benefits does HyperV have that make you feel that way with or without PV?
with Xen i have the issue of unknown IP in my XenCenter which is due to Xenserver tool that i'm unable to install in freePBX nor pfSense, and maybe i will have more issues caused by this disability to install Xenserver tool
Wouldn't you have that "issue" in HyperV too since it also lacks the PV drives? And is this a big issue?
Maybe you will have issues with anything. That you "might" have issues doesn't provide any logic for switching to something likely to be worse.
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@IT-ADMIN said:
the fact that i cannot setup xenserver tool makes me feel that the XenServer will not work normally as expected, because it is not made to be hosting fully virtualized
i think that full virtualization for Xen is something abnormal, isn't it ???This is just a feeling and doesn't follow any logic.
No, that you feel that full virtualization is odd for Xen only means that you are very confused. PV use is very rare. Full Virtualization is by far the most common and the only option for Windows and FreeBSD.
I feel like you are grasping at reasons to not use Xen, but solidly it seems like the best choice.
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@Dashrender said:
The question is - who makes the PV drivers, Xen or the hardware manufacturer?
Never the hardware manufacturer, they have no relationship to the situation. In some cases Xen makes them (Linux, Windows) and in others, the OS maker makes them (FreeBSD.)
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i don't know why they didn't make PV drivers available for all type of OS and distro ???
Same reason that HyperV didn't make them. Because it is a tiny use case and not worth the investment.
Xen didn't make them for FreeBSD because FreeBSD already made them for Xen platforms so it would be crazy to reinvent the wheel for no reason. As we discussed via PMs, FreeBSD has the drivers built in so you shouldn't be looking for them.
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in this case i will keep using XenServer since having no PV will not affect that much my VMs
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@scottalanmiller said:
FreeBSD has the drivers built in so you shouldn't be looking for them.
but how to activate them, because i installed the latest pfSense version and still not having the drivers (because i have under "virtualization state : XenServer Tools not installed ") and i cannot see the memory usage under performance tab (i have this notice : To view memory data for this VM, you need to install XenServer Tool)
so how can we explain this ?? -
i guess there is a trick to do to activate PV drivers in freeBSD ???
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@IT-ADMIN said:
i guess there is a trick to do to activate PV drivers in freeBSD ???
The trick is that you have to compile them in. pfSense likely decided not to do that. So you have to do it yourself with the instructions that I sent to you from the page that described how it worked.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IT-ADMIN said:
i guess there is a trick to do to activate PV drivers in freeBSD ???
The trick is that you have to compile them in. pfSense likely decided not to do that. So you have to do it yourself with the instructions that I sent to you from the page that described how it worked.
i don't have that level of doing such advanced tricks, so there is no easy way to achieve that right,
if i don't have an easy way i will just neglect those notices (that show xenserver tools not installed)
