Non-IT News Thread
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
I don't really follow - the vendors aren't advertising directly to patients - they are advertising to providers - providers who should be doing their due diligence and knowing the side effects, etc and not prescribing when not called for.
Yup, so first you have to prove, as they just did, that there is something going on before you can prove that the individual prescriptions are a problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
I don't really follow - the vendors aren't advertising directly to patients - they are advertising to providers - providers who should be doing their due diligence and knowing the side effects, etc and not prescribing when not called for.
Yup, so first you have to prove, as they just did, that there is something going on before you can prove that the individual prescriptions are a problem.
WHAT? really? so if the manufacturer was completely guiltless - you're saying that makes the prescribers guiltless too? Ok you didn't say that - so I need you to say what you said, but in a totally different way so I might understand where you're driving at.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
WHAT? really? so if the manufacturer was completely guiltless - you're saying that makes the prescribers guiltless too?
Not in all cases, but in this one, pretty much. It would make it impossible to go after prescribers for sure.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Ok you didn't say that - so I need you to say what you said, but in a totally different way so I might understand where you're driving at.
For a prescriber to get in trouble, they don't have to just have done something wrong, they have to have been paid off to do it, or else you can't show anything because doctors have unlimited rights to do any reckless thing that they want. Doctors are essentially immune to being sued over judgement calls.
But vendors aren't allowed to pay off doctors to kill people, that's a crime. And if that crime has been committed, then you just have to show that a specific doctors was in on it.
Basically you need a crime first. This isn't a question of ethics, it's about legality. And doctors have zero ethical requirements, but there are certain laws that they can't break.
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Selling a TV off of the back of a truck is totally legal. So to stop that happening, it's best to start by showing that TVs were stolen and tracking them to trucks that are selling them. Then you can arrest the guys selling them from the trucks.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Ok you didn't say that - so I need you to say what you said, but in a totally different way so I might understand where you're driving at.
For a prescriber to get in trouble, they don't have to just have done something wrong, they have to have been paid off to do it, or else you can't show anything because doctors have unlimited rights to do any reckless thing that they want. Doctors are essentially immune to being sued over judgement calls.
But vendors aren't allowed to pay off doctors to kill people, that's a crime. And if that crime has been committed, then you just have to show that a specific doctors was in on it.
Basically you need a crime first. This isn't a question of ethics, it's about legality. And doctors have zero ethical requirements, but there are certain laws that they can't break.
Thanks - OK.. I get that now.
it blows one's mind that doctors can act so recklessly - I wonder how true that really is? Have there been many court cases to back that up - that always side with the doctor for not doing their job? Of course... proving they were reckless might be a real challenge.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
it blows one's mind that doctors can act so recklessly - I wonder how true that really is?
MDs are essentially certified to have unlimited authority. This is both great and terrible. It's terrible for really obvious reasons. But it is great because it allows someone with an MD's training to decide to ignore the standard quackery and either try something experimental or just use common sense when the medical establishment does not. This is actually one of the few protections in the American medical system, but because the path to becoming a doctor doesn't encourage strong ethics, it isn't used very widely for good reasons. But you can't take it away or the right to innovate goes away.
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@Dashrender doctors can afford way better lawyers than their victims can. I mean patients. No, victims is right.
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@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
Of course... proving they were reckless might be a real challenge.
Here is the problem....
If you could just "prove recklessness" concepts like vaccinations or break mold being a cure for diseases would have landed people in jail and the only legal cures would remain leaches. Because we still live in the era of witch-doctory, we have the problem that there is little to no science behind our medicine so what is established or believed is often insane or unproven. And any attempt to find something new or to test theories are seen as crazy, until they work (and often still seen as crazy once they do.)
It's not like architecture or materials science were we have really, really good science that tells us how strong an arch made of bricks or foam will be. Medicine is still in the dark ages and what is "established" is little better, and often worse, than something random.
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@RojoLoco said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender doctors can afford way better lawyers than their victims can. I mean patients. No, victims is right.
That, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
@Dashrender said in Non-IT News Thread:
it blows one's mind that doctors can act so recklessly - I wonder how true that really is?
MDs are essentially certified to have unlimited authority. This is both great and terrible. It's terrible for really obvious reasons. But it is great because it allows someone with an MD's training to decide to ignore the standard quackery and either try something experimental or just use common sense when the medical establishment does not. This is actually one of the few protections in the American medical system, but because the path to becoming a doctor doesn't encourage strong ethics, it isn't used very widely for good reasons. But you can't take it away or the right to innovate goes away.
That likely is a reason it's called a medical practice.
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BBC News - Purdue Pharma 'offers up to $12bn' to settle opioid cases
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Unsolicited nudes now illegal in Texas.
"“The law makes it a Class C misdemeanor to send an unwanted, unrequested indecent photo – by text, dating app, email or any other platform.”"
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So much for AirDrop in Dallas.
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I wonder how the law reads, because think about platforms like Instagram where millions of women post unsolicited nudes every day. Sounds at a high level, like the law might include those.
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Purdue Pharma 'offers up to $12bn' to settle opioid cases
Purdue Pharma, the opioid drug-maker owned by the billionaire Sackler family, is reported to be offering between $10bn and $12bn to settle thousands of lawsuits against it.
The firm is facing over 2,000 lawsuits linked to its painkiller OxyContin. Purdue told the BBC it was "actively working" towards a "global resolution" but would not comment on the amount. NBC, which first reported the news, said the settlement would involve the Sacklers giving up ownership of Purdue. The firm said in a statement: "While Purdue Pharma is prepared to defend itself vigorously in the opioid litigation, the company has made clear that it sees little good coming from years of wasteful litigation and appeals. "Purdue believes a constructive global resolution is the best path forward, and the company is actively working with the state attorneys general and other plaintiffs to achieve this outcome." -
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
I wonder how the law reads, because think about platforms like Instagram where millions of women post unsolicited nudes every day. Sounds at a high level, like the law might include those.
Except those platforms don’t allow nudes. Yes they are posted, but that is against their TOS.
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@JaredBusch said in Non-IT News Thread:
@scottalanmiller said in Non-IT News Thread:
I wonder how the law reads, because think about platforms like Instagram where millions of women post unsolicited nudes every day. Sounds at a high level, like the law might include those.
Except those platforms don’t allow nudes. Yes they are posted, but that is against their TOS.
Granted, but it's a huge part of their business model allowed or not. But the important bits are... how is that handled under the law. Because defining the difference between a traditional DM and a multicast can be done, but isn't easy. In both cases, there is a subscription under the hood. Often under the hood, the two are the same, like in NodeBB. So unless accepting a DM request itself (e.g. a subscription) counts as solicitation, it's going to create quite the problem I bet.
