Non-IT News Thread
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@scottalanmiller said:
The US has a recent epidemic of mass shootings from these people.
@JaredBusch said:
Prove it.
All of the shootings I am aware of have been lone mentally unstable individuals or individuals acting with the assistance of Islamic extremeist (another whack job nutter group).
Note, that you specifically said these people
This conversation has been about Open Carry extremists. Prove the connection.
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And you do make a good point about the gun toters, but a single people going out I think looks a lot more like a nut job - aka Atlanta dipshit! I guess I look at them (the gun toters) like people going out raising awareness for their politician, cause, etc... a lone person just looks like a nutter, a group might make you consider their point better. But yeah, people are scared by it.. so it's self defeating....
To me personally I simply look at the disarmament of citizen in pre war Europe, this is why I think our rights to own arms are so important - not for a militia, for an over powered government. It's probably really already to late, citizens can probably be easily overrun, the best that believe in holding the government accountable can hope for is that if the government ever comes knocking to remove weapons, that an unfortunate confrontation would make them stop by public pressure.
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@JaredBusch said:
Note, that you specifically said these people
This conversation has been about Open Carry extremists. Prove the connection.
I consider people who carry assault weapons in public to be extremists. I guess you are correct, the people doing the carrying might not be extremists about carrying in public and may just be doing the action of carrying.
I was never really talking about people who were extremists about carrying guns in public, I was talking about the extremists who were carrying guns in public. There are plenty of "pro gun" people who don't carry and don't want to carry themselves. I don't fear them. There are, I assume, lots of people who don't care if we have the right to carry assault weapons in public but take advantage of the fact that we do.
I've been meaning to refer to the extremism of actually carrying in public, not the extremism of believing that we should be allowed to.
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@Dashrender said:
But yeah, people are scared by it.. so it's self defeating....
I find it a bit far fetched to think that any significant number of assault rifle toting "gangs" don't intend to be intimidating. So scaring people is what I see as their goal, by and large. They might state otherwise because it is actually illegal to intentionally terrorize people. But doing so while claiming you are raising awareness is a grey area where you'd have to prove intent.
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I agree with that, as I personally have no desire to carry in public the weapons i own, other than a conceal carry piece.
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@Dashrender said:
To me personally I simply look at the disarmament of citizen in pre war Europe, this is why I think our rights to own arms are so important - not for a militia, for an over powered government. It's probably really already to late, citizens can probably be easily overrun, the best that believe in holding the government accountable can hope for is that if the government ever comes knocking to remove weapons, that an unfortunate confrontation would make them stop by public pressure.
How do you feel an armed populace would have changed Pre-War Europe? And which war are you speaking of?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
To me personally I simply look at the disarmament of citizen in pre war Europe, this is why I think our rights to own arms are so important - not for a militia, for an over powered government. It's probably really already to late, citizens can probably be easily overrun, the best that believe in holding the government accountable can hope for is that if the government ever comes knocking to remove weapons, that an unfortunate confrontation would make them stop by public pressure.
How do you feel an armed populace would have changed Pre-War Europe? And which war are you speaking of?
Well, because of the mind set of Europe, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference at all. But here it most certainly would.
What is your opinion of the FEMA camps that have been built? What purpose do you see that they serve? Guard towers and razor wire...
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@Dashrender said:
Well, because of the mind set of Europe, it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference at all. But here it most certainly would.
In what way? Make a difference for what? I have no idea what you are suggesting. The US was armed to the teeth at home yet went into both World Wars (and several before that) anyway. It didn't stop us from becoming embroiled in the same wars as Europe.
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@Dashrender said:
What is your opinion of the FEMA camps that have been built? What purpose do you see that they serve? Guard towers and razor wire...
The US doesn't need FEMA to build concentration camps. We invented concentration camps. The rest of the world copied us.
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Perhaps it's time to break this out into another thread.
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Break it into its own concentration thread?
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Problem is, it's just a discussion, no single other thread would hold it
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@scottalanmiller said:
Problem is, it's just a discussion, no single other thread would hold it
I disagree, but it is not my forum to run.
My Opinion: Split the original news article and the following conversation out of the main non-it news thread into's it's own thread tagged non it news
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I'm fine with that. @Dashrender I'm not sure where you were headed with the FEMA discussion. Want to start a new thread based on that intention?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
What is your opinion of the FEMA camps that have been built? What purpose do you see that they serve? Guard towers and razor wire...
The US doesn't need FEMA to build concentration camps. We invented concentration camps. The rest of the world copied us.
I'm not talking about the rest of the world.. I'm talking about our own government.. why are they building them? If not because they think they might need to either round up a bunch of citizen from other countries, ship them over here and put them in camps, or more likely, grab their own citizens and stick them in there for one reason or another.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I'm fine with that. @Dashrender I'm not sure where you were headed with the FEMA discussion. Want to start a new thread based on that intention?
You can start one tomorrow if you like.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm not talking about the rest of the world.. I'm talking about our own government.. why are they building them? If not because they think they might need to either round up a bunch of citizen from other countries, ship them over here and put them in camps, or more likely, grab their own citizens and stick them in there for one reason or another.
What I was referring to was that we've had them for a long time (concentration camps.) Here in the US, on US soil. Famously we had a lot during WW2. But they were not new then. You might know of George Takei a famous survivor of the US concentration camps.
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yes I am aware, and while it was completely wrong they were fearful... and now we have these camps today when the war is probably even farther from our own soil than it was in WW II, so I'm trying to figure out what the money is being spent on this? Why is the military training the policy on military tactics in city fighting? Why are drones flying over US cities? Why is the NSA spying on US citizens?
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Same reason they did before, I would assume, to lock up Americans. That's how we used them in the past.
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Have you seen one of these? I've not heard about this and am not finding any real news outlet talking about them.
