Preparing to Be Disconnected...Completely
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@scottalanmiller said:
You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.
More than once I've pondered throwing my career to the wind and going back to college.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
You know though, I know a lot of farmers that think that farming is nicer than IT.
More than once I've pondered throwing my career to the wind and going back to college.
What good career does college help with?
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Nursing, Doctors, Accountants, CPAs, etc
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@Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.
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@Hubtech said:
Nursing, Doctors, Accountants, CPAs, etc
All, to me, examples of crappy jobs.
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oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
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@Hubtech said:
@Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.
Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.
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@Hubtech said:
oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
Man, Why do I go to the doctor then? Why have an engineer spec a house?
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Hubtech said:
@Hubtech Engineers of any flavor.
Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.
Most states require Civil Engineers to have a bachelors degree and pass state certification.
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@Hubtech said:
oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
Well my whole point was what GOOD job requires a degree? Tons of bad jobs require a degree - basically all ones where you are forced to be a "union" worker with the government protecting your job because the job fails to stand on its own in the US.
Nursing does not require a degree, BTW, it is only because of the massive surplus of nurses out of work and getting degrees to make themselves more employable have created a market where you "need" a degree just because there is little way to differentiate yourself from others in your field.
That's one of the things that make all of these jobs suck - they are all "wellfare" jobs. Basically you buy a degree and the government "owes" you a job by way of guaranteeing only people who paid to get the degree get the limited jobs. These jobs lack the fulfillment that what, to me, any good job would offer.
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@scottalanmiller said:
What good career does college help with?
At some point, the definition of good needs to be explored. While I have a good career by most measures, I find myself looking for something I'm passionate about. I seem to be unable to get to that point in IT, despite the fact that I deeply enjoy a lot of parts of it. So I need to think carefully about how to find in IT what I'm passionate about or explore new careers that might generate that passion as well.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Hubtech said:
oh. then nevermind. sorry to all those schmucks who have them ey!!!??
Man, Why do I go to the doctor then? Why have an engineer spec a house?
Because of government regulations. Without them, would you? When is the last time you talked to a doctor and felt that they were more qualified than you to diagnose what was wrong?
Doctors are a great example - they aren't, by and large, doing a good job. The government has to make a union like situation where the federal government takes away your rights to medicine and healthcare unless you get it through their approved channels. Doctors don't earn their keep.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Engineers favour degrees but do not require them. I came from an engineering background and engineers are not a "government union" like the others mentioned and can become engineers without a degree. At least in the US, there is no college requirement for engineering.
You're smokin' crack.
I do not know a single engineer that has not been through the engineering program at 4 year school.
Used to could? Sure, but not for 30 years barring the exception to prove the rule as it is said.
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@scottalanmiller said:
Doctors are a great example - they aren't, by and large, doing a good job.
What doctors are you seeing? mine are great.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Most states require Civil Engineers to have a bachelors degree and pass state certification.
Civil, yes. Which is only one of the vast array of engineering degrees and categories.
Manufacturing, industrial, chemical, mechanical, automotive, aeronautic, electrical, computer, manufacturing systems, etc. do not require degrees.
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@scottalanmiller said:
When is the last time you talked to a doctor and felt that they were more qualified than you to diagnose what was wrong?
Uh... every time I go to a doctor. Isn't that how Jobs died?
By most measures Canada does not even get the best ones here because we don't pay them enough. -
oh, and how the flying hell does this have anything to do with being disconnected? I wish you the best in your disconnection from IT. I did it for 7 days on my honeymoon 2 years ago. The first day or two kind of sucked, but after that i was able to enjoy myself! I just let my clients know two months ahead of time that i was going to be gone, that they should send me an email if an emergency happened, and that i'd check my email the day i got off of the ship. I had a local fella on queue and forwarded my email to him to discern "emergency" status. Didn't have any emergencies!
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@scottalanmiller said:
Nursing does not require a degree
This varies by state. These are state licenses.
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@MattSpeller said:
@scottalanmiller said:
What good career does college help with?
At some point, the definition of good needs to be explored. While I have a good career by most measures, I find myself looking for something I'm passionate about. I seem to be unable to get to that point in IT, despite the fact that I deeply enjoy a lot of parts of it. So I need to think carefully about how to find in IT what I'm passionate about or explore new careers that might generate that passion as well.
I find a lot of things very exciting. But routinely I find that needing a degree is a great way for me to define what a bad job looks like. Once a job requires you to "pay" for your job rather than to earn it by being qualified or good at it - it sucks. Now, lots of people have no desire to excel or be rewarded for hard work. For those people, generally the polar opposite of IT folk, those jobs are ideal. They pay well and you don't have to be up to par. All you have to be is "good enough" and that's all that there is to it.
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Think of it as "excelling" jobs. Those like IT, business, artist, musician, writer, professor, etc. Jobs where it comes down only to "how good are you." You do well by excelling.
Compare them to "good enough" or "minimum effort" jobs like doctor, civil engineer, etc. where you pay a huge fee to a university, pay a small fee to an accreditation board, pass a test (maybe hard, maybe not), possibly go through some juvenile hazing (looking at you, doctors) and then meet a "minimum qualification" stating that you are "good enough" to do your job.
I know that to many people, maybe most people, being "good enough" is literally "good enough". But if you want to love your job, I can't imagine that being the case.
