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So Laura and I went to see an apartment this weekend that is much closer to work. It's an extra $400 a month for an apartment that is half the size of our current one. It's to be expected though. The further north you go in NJ the higher the prices. This place bases their leases on market value, whether your windows face the parking lot or trees, current amount of vacancies, etc. I asked them what the cost of living has been historically from the lowest to the highest and they said 10% - 20% per year. Wat? My current place goes up by $50 each year. This place could possibly be $4,000 more next year? It seems like our choices are either affordable unsafe areas or unaffordable safe areas. I've lived in crappy areas before myself but I can't do that with Laura around. Really frustrating situation. I asked her to find places with her ideal pricing and she found 4 places with high crime rates. Ughhhh.
If you are happy where you are at, don't move. The commute sucks, but being safe and having affordable housing sucks less.
It ends up costing us a lot just in gas and car maintenance. I'm driving an hour each way every day.
But probably not $400 a month in Gas and car maintenance?
I spend $400 on average every 1.5 months on maintenance alone. not even including gas
Wtf? How is that possible? Sounds like you need to invest in a new car. I have a 2014 Forester I put 60 miles on a day... I still don't hit 400$ every month even when gas is included. Sounds like you need to start changing your own oil.
I put 70-100 miles on it a day
I have an Aveo right now (they're known to be s***), driving it ~70 miles a day, and I don't put $400 a month into the thing, gas and maintenance included!
It's $400 every 1.5 months for maintenance. Part of the fees being higher is because i have a hybrid.
Oh, so you really don't like keeping money in your pocket. Have you had to replace the battery pack yet?
No I think I hit that at 60k or something. I need to check my manual.
That's going to be a big bill.... it's why I just don't consider electric or hybrid ready yet.
I'm pretty sure the numbers still end up being less expensive for an all electric car even when you take into account the battery pack change when compared to similar gas cars with a normal maintenance schedule. Hybrids on the other hand are almost always more expensive.
The pure electric have the problem of range, even the Tesla's. How far are they going to get in a normal NE Ohio winter running heat and defrosters all the way?
Agreed. Range is still a big issue. Although they've found that the current range works for 90% of people 95% of the time, I think those were the numbers that one of the California Uni's put out.. It's just that 5% of the time that would be a killer.
California that might even be true. Ohio, Main, Wisconsin, Montana, etc, I have a little doubt about. If I could get an electric that would work for 95% of the time, I might start considering one.
I'm guessing even with heat and defrosters on you're still getting well over 100 miles per charge. That will handle most people's daily commute. It definitely would both mine and my wife's.
The person with an issue is JB and his weekly trip down south.
That was the finding. For most rural areas you'd still be in good shape with 100 miles/day... In a lot of cases I'd be cutting it close though but again that's probably the 5% of times I actually drive.. I really like the Chevy Bolt platform and will probably be looking into that next time I am up for a new car.
the 100 miles is only when heat and defrost is going - I think the car does at or more than 200 mpc normally. I'll check.
https://i.imgur.com/0KLfNRx.png
So it's listed at 265 mpc (miles per charge)
Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
I think we're really close to the point where electric vehicles will be affordable and usable for the mass public.
I think we're already there for at least 75% of people living in or near major cities. It's us country folk who need the extra range.
Yep... we're extremely rural here but I still think an electric vehicle would work for 90% of people that I know around here. Although most people around here have the big truck that blows black smoke obsession so getting them to buy a Bolt or Tesla would be a miracle of evolutionary proportions.
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So Laura and I went to see an apartment this weekend that is much closer to work. It's an extra $400 a month for an apartment that is half the size of our current one. It's to be expected though. The further north you go in NJ the higher the prices. This place bases their leases on market value, whether your windows face the parking lot or trees, current amount of vacancies, etc. I asked them what the cost of living has been historically from the lowest to the highest and they said 10% - 20% per year. Wat? My current place goes up by $50 each year. This place could possibly be $4,000 more next year? It seems like our choices are either affordable unsafe areas or unaffordable safe areas. I've lived in crappy areas before myself but I can't do that with Laura around. Really frustrating situation. I asked her to find places with her ideal pricing and she found 4 places with high crime rates. Ughhhh.
If you are happy where you are at, don't move. The commute sucks, but being safe and having affordable housing sucks less.
It ends up costing us a lot just in gas and car maintenance. I'm driving an hour each way every day.
But probably not $400 a month in Gas and car maintenance?
I spend $400 on average every 1.5 months on maintenance alone. not even including gas
Wtf? How is that possible? Sounds like you need to invest in a new car. I have a 2014 Forester I put 60 miles on a day... I still don't hit 400$ every month even when gas is included. Sounds like you need to start changing your own oil.
I put 70-100 miles on it a day
I have an Aveo right now (they're known to be s***), driving it ~70 miles a day, and I don't put $400 a month into the thing, gas and maintenance included!
It's $400 every 1.5 months for maintenance. Part of the fees being higher is because i have a hybrid.
Oh, so you really don't like keeping money in your pocket. Have you had to replace the battery pack yet?
No I think I hit that at 60k or something. I need to check my manual.
That's going to be a big bill.... it's why I just don't consider electric or hybrid ready yet.
I'm pretty sure the numbers still end up being less expensive for an all electric car even when you take into account the battery pack change when compared to similar gas cars with a normal maintenance schedule. Hybrids on the other hand are almost always more expensive.
The pure electric have the problem of range, even the Tesla's. How far are they going to get in a normal NE Ohio winter running heat and defrosters all the way?
Agreed. Range is still a big issue. Although they've found that the current range works for 90% of people 95% of the time, I think those were the numbers that one of the California Uni's put out.. It's just that 5% of the time that would be a killer.
California that might even be true. Ohio, Main, Wisconsin, Montana, etc, I have a little doubt about. If I could get an electric that would work for 95% of the time, I might start considering one.
I'm guessing even with heat and defrosters on you're still getting well over 100 miles per charge. That will handle most people's daily commute. It definitely would both mine and my wife's.
The person with an issue is JB and his weekly trip down south.
That was the finding. For most rural areas you'd still be in good shape with 100 miles/day... In a lot of cases I'd be cutting it close though but again that's probably the 5% of times I actually drive.. I really like the Chevy Bolt platform and will probably be looking into that next time I am up for a new car.
the 100 miles is only when heat and defrost is going - I think the car does at or more than 200 mpc normally. I'll check.
https://i.imgur.com/0KLfNRx.png
So it's listed at 265 mpc (miles per charge)
Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
I think we're really close to the point where electric vehicles will be affordable and usable for the mass public.
I think we're already there for at least 75% of people living in or near major cities. It's us country folk who need the extra range.
Yep... we're extremely rural here but I still think an electric vehicle would work for 90% of people that I know around here.
What a time to be alive
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I know Tesla does service contracts and stuff, which is great, but I'm a little paranoid of the price of parts if something goes wrong or the labor fees
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/insane-cost-repair-teslas-achilles-heel
Granted, this guy does have a model S
Also this: http://gas2.org/2015/01/06/this-is-what-30000-of-damage-looks-like-on-a-tesla-model-s/
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Good luck. Especially in the North east. It's possible but you'd have to cut back significantly on most things... or have enough property to put up a serious array.
Exactly. Seems pretty unlikely that you'll get enough panels to offset all of your usage.
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So Laura and I went to see an apartment this weekend that is much closer to work. It's an extra $400 a month for an apartment that is half the size of our current one. It's to be expected though. The further north you go in NJ the higher the prices. This place bases their leases on market value, whether your windows face the parking lot or trees, current amount of vacancies, etc. I asked them what the cost of living has been historically from the lowest to the highest and they said 10% - 20% per year. Wat? My current place goes up by $50 each year. This place could possibly be $4,000 more next year? It seems like our choices are either affordable unsafe areas or unaffordable safe areas. I've lived in crappy areas before myself but I can't do that with Laura around. Really frustrating situation. I asked her to find places with her ideal pricing and she found 4 places with high crime rates. Ughhhh.
If you are happy where you are at, don't move. The commute sucks, but being safe and having affordable housing sucks less.
It ends up costing us a lot just in gas and car maintenance. I'm driving an hour each way every day.
But probably not $400 a month in Gas and car maintenance?
I spend $400 on average every 1.5 months on maintenance alone. not even including gas
Wtf? How is that possible? Sounds like you need to invest in a new car. I have a 2014 Forester I put 60 miles on a day... I still don't hit 400$ every month even when gas is included. Sounds like you need to start changing your own oil.
I put 70-100 miles on it a day
I have an Aveo right now (they're known to be s***), driving it ~70 miles a day, and I don't put $400 a month into the thing, gas and maintenance included!
It's $400 every 1.5 months for maintenance. Part of the fees being higher is because i have a hybrid.
Oh, so you really don't like keeping money in your pocket. Have you had to replace the battery pack yet?
No I think I hit that at 60k or something. I need to check my manual.
That's going to be a big bill.... it's why I just don't consider electric or hybrid ready yet.
I'm pretty sure the numbers still end up being less expensive for an all electric car even when you take into account the battery pack change when compared to similar gas cars with a normal maintenance schedule. Hybrids on the other hand are almost always more expensive.
The pure electric have the problem of range, even the Tesla's. How far are they going to get in a normal NE Ohio winter running heat and defrosters all the way?
Agreed. Range is still a big issue. Although they've found that the current range works for 90% of people 95% of the time, I think those were the numbers that one of the California Uni's put out.. It's just that 5% of the time that would be a killer.
California that might even be true. Ohio, Main, Wisconsin, Montana, etc, I have a little doubt about. If I could get an electric that would work for 95% of the time, I might start considering one.
I'm guessing even with heat and defrosters on you're still getting well over 100 miles per charge. That will handle most people's daily commute. It definitely would both mine and my wife's.
The person with an issue is JB and his weekly trip down south.
That was the finding. For most rural areas you'd still be in good shape with 100 miles/day... In a lot of cases I'd be cutting it close though but again that's probably the 5% of times I actually drive.. I really like the Chevy Bolt platform and will probably be looking into that next time I am up for a new car.
the 100 miles is only when heat and defrost is going - I think the car does at or more than 200 mpc normally. I'll check.
https://i.imgur.com/0KLfNRx.png
So it's listed at 265 mpc (miles per charge)
Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
I don't have that now. My Prius gets around 380 before I fill it. My truck at a 20 gallon take getting 12mpg only gave me 240.
What matters is the recharge time. I have no idea how long it takes to recharge to get another 265 miles.
Hey! Your Prius and my Forester get the same range. Granted I have a 14 gallon tank.
My Pris has an 11 gal tank, but I've only ever put more than 10 gal into it once. I normally fill it around 9.5 gal needed, I could squeeze another 60+ miles if needed.
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What matters is the recharge time. I have no idea how long it takes to recharge to get another 265 miles.
20 minutes apparently
20 minutes is a pitstop for most folks.
That's kinda long. I wouldn't want to have to stop 20 mins for every 3 hours I drive (70+ mph highway). I think the average stop for me is 15 min or less.
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The drive from my house to a St. Louis client would be right at the outer limit of the range.
The problem with stopping at this client is that they are a Motor Fuels company. Do not think I could recharge there!
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The drive from my house to a St. Louis client would be right at the outer limit of the range.
The problem with stopping at this client is that they are a Motor Fuels company. Do not think I could recharge there!
That would be a fun conversation to have for sure haha.
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The drive from my house to a St. Louis client would be right at the outer limit of the range.
The problem with stopping at this client is that they are a Motor Fuels company. Do not think I could recharge there!
What are you driving out of curiousity?
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306 miles to a client that I could likely make a recharge deal with.
Now if Tesla is allowed to be self driving, then I could easily see getting close to the listed mileage because it would obey the speed limits, unlike myself.
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Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
This is a bunch of shit. There is not a passenger vehicle on the market today that gets this range without a gimmick such as a second tank, or an overly large (20+gallons) tank.
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Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
This is a bunch of shit. There is not a passenger vehicle on the market today that gets this range without a gimmick such as a second tank, or an overly large (20+gallons) tank.
But even then, Elon is claiming that we'll have 600+ mile at some point (I assume he means some point soon).
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Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
This is a bunch of shit. There is not a passenger vehicle on the market today that gets this range without a gimmick such as a second tank, or an overly large (20+gallons) tank.
My Aveo gets around 400 miles on an 11 gallon tank...
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Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
This is a bunch of shit. There is not a passenger vehicle on the market today that gets this range without a gimmick such as a second tank, or an overly large (20+gallons) tank.
My Aveo gets around 400 miles on an 11 gallon tank...
I get 398 in my Chrysler 200 but I think that is a 14 or 15 gallon tank.
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Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
This is a bunch of shit. There is not a passenger vehicle on the market today that gets this range without a gimmick such as a second tank, or an overly large (20+gallons) tank.
My Aveo gets around 400 miles on an 11 gallon tank...
400 miles is better than 36 MPG for the entire tank of gas. I call bullshit.
There is no way you are doing:
Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver
You are projecting bias.
Can it get it? I am sure, fuck my car can get better than 40 mpg if I drive a careful 55-60 at all times with super gentle acceleration. But that is not real world. -
The semi's I drove would get 1000+ miles per tank, but that's talking 120 gallons a tank, today it's closer to 200 gallons a tank
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Now that is some major improvement. Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver (they're already halfway!)
This is a bunch of shit. There is not a passenger vehicle on the market today that gets this range without a gimmick such as a second tank, or an overly large (20+gallons) tank.
My Aveo gets around 400 miles on an 11 gallon tank...
400 miles is better than 36 MPG for the entire tank of gas. I call bullshit.
There is no way you are doing:
Get that up to 400-500 miles and I'm a happy driver
You are projecting bias.
Can it get it? I am sure, fuck my car can get better than 40 mpg if I drive a careful 55-60 at all times with super gentle acceleration. But that is not real world.I'm "only" getting ~34 right now according to my calculations at the pump, I think I need to check my tire air pressure, because it normally is around 36mpg.
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What matters is the recharge time. I have no idea how long it takes to recharge to get another 265 miles.
20 minutes apparently
20 minutes is a pitstop for most folks.
That's kinda long. I wouldn't want to have to stop 20 mins for every 3 hours I drive (70+ mph highway). I think the average stop for me is 15 min or less.
20 minutes is an eternity unless the vehicle is self driving and I am not paying attention to the trip time anyway.
When I stop for gas on a normal trip, I am there less than 10 minutes counting time off the highway, fueling, and time back to the highway.
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What matters is the recharge time. I have no idea how long it takes to recharge to get another 265 miles.
20 minutes apparently
20 minutes is a pitstop for most folks.
That's kinda long. I wouldn't want to have to stop 20 mins for every 3 hours I drive (70+ mph highway). I think the average stop for me is 15 min or less.
20 minutes is an eternity unless the vehicle is self driving and I am not paying attention to the trip time anyway.
When I stop for gas on a normal trip, I am there less than 10 minutes counting time off the highway, fueling, and time back to the highway.
Yep I agree. This really needs to be cut down to 10 mins, but that just might be unreasonable due to technology.
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What matters is the recharge time. I have no idea how long it takes to recharge to get another 265 miles.
20 minutes apparently
20 minutes is a pitstop for most folks.
That's kinda long. I wouldn't want to have to stop 20 mins for every 3 hours I drive (70+ mph highway). I think the average stop for me is 15 min or less.
20 minutes is an eternity unless the vehicle is self driving and I am not paying attention to the trip time anyway.
When I stop for gas on a normal trip, I am there less than 10 minutes counting time off the highway, fueling, and time back to the highway.
Yep I agree. This really needs to be cut down to 10 mins, but that just might be unreasonable due to technology.
Physics is such a ...pain... sometimes.
