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  • @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    Age of Empires DE (4K remake)

    Yeah I have all of those installed on Xbox for PC on my gaming PC (for free* via gamepass), they are so awesome! If I had the newest Xbox, I'd still play them on PC because those aren't family games really. My kids wouldn't play them with me.

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    That's $10/mo (and available on PC,.) Or is that where you are using them?



  • I dislike game passes because you pay monthly, often more than I could pay durin that time to buy what I could play, but then I'd own "forever."

    Like AoE was just $5. Sure, that's half of a monthly pass but.... to OWN two games per month rather than rent them gets good value fast unless you play insane amounts of time.



  • Game Passes are great for trying games, but bad for really getting deep into them.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    Game Passes are great for trying games, but bad for really getting deep into them.

    Works for us. If I truly like a game enough to want to play it enough to justify the cost per play, then sure.

    Treating all games as a cost per play model, makes it worth it in our situation.

    The $10 subscription is treated as a single game using that, and yes per month.

    So far it's been worth it.

    Having over 2000 games and counting, I can imagine most of those having a high cost per play and I could never justify it personally. I'd rather use that on games I really like and upgrading a console for a fraction of the cost of a gaming PC, if said games were not already in my library or already available on the platform I prefer.



  • @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    Having over 2000 games and counting, I can imagine most of those having a high cost per play and I could never justify it personally. I'd rather use that on games I really like and upgrading a console for a fraction of the cost of a gaming PC, if said games were not already in my library or already available on the platform I prefer.

    High cost per play, yes, but a lot of that cost is the cost of collecting, which isn't a healthy thing but it's where they get me. But the cost per play is surprisingly low considering. With the subscription model, let's just say $10/mo, that's $120/year in games (not bad if it meets your needs) but you get a total of 100 games to play (something like that), but it's not 100 that you select, it's 100 that they select.

    To compare, if I was going to go for just 100 games, yes, it would cost me more than $120, but it would be 100 games that I select and they'd be mine to keep whether I want to play them now, in the future, or over and over again.

    In a cost per play analysis, yes, you are beating me significantly. But that's not because of the model that I'm using, but because I'm also game collecting 🙂 If instead of game collecting I only was buying what we were playing in the reasonable future the total number of games would be massively lower, as would the cost, but the per play would get really good.

    Also, while I have a HUGE number of games, keep in mind it's for two adults and two kids, all four of which are gamers with different taste in games, and we've been collecting for like 10+ years. Because it adds up over time, and per person, it feels like more than it really is.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    With the subscription model, let's just say $10/mo, that's $120/year in games (not bad if it meets your needs) but you get a total of 100 games to play (something like that), but it's not 100 that you select, it's 100 that they select.

    I look at it like this, which I think is the only real way to look at it:

    The $10 per month subscription is THE game. Every time one of us plays a game that is available via and through the Game Pass subscription, counts towards the cost per play of THE $10 "game".

    For example, It's January 1st, I play AoE DE twice that day, and some combination of me/daughter/son plays "New Super Lucky's Tale" 3 times that day, the cost per play becomes $2. But of course it doesn't stop there... over the course of a month, it may likely exceed 40 times. So the cost per play is then $0.25. So the $10 subscription "game" is at a $0.25 cost per play. That's not bad given there's lots of games available for all our needs.

    This hasn't been the case yet, but if a game were to leave Game Pass that I or we often play and don't want to do without, we'd buy it at a discounted Game Pass price as we can probably guesstimate it would be worth it at some point.

    If there's a game that like... well the cost per play is like $2.50 and I don't see it being played more than a few times per year or whatever... then it's easy to realize it's not worth it... or maybe it is. It depends on the game and a bunch of other factors.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    you get a total of 100 games to play (something like that), but it's not 100 that you select, it's 100 that they select.

    It seems to be ~500 games total at the moment, but that's besides the point. (I'm only doing the $10 subscription for now, and may let it go since I was only really testing it, and will likely get it again once I get the newest xbox... i plan on taking a hiatus sometime soon for about a year to do some much needed things)

    None of us collect games, nor do any of us have a desire to, so this game-specific thing is very subjective. It's nice to have so many full games available without truly having to buy them first, and across several platforms, but really, the whole game thing isn't the only factor.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    keep in mind it's for two adults and two kids, all four of which are gamers with different taste in games

    Yeah, same-ish here.



  • @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    None of us collect games, nor do any of us have a desire to, so this game-specific thing is very subjective.

    It is for sure. I'm a collector by nature. To me, video games are like literature and I don't like borrowed literature. I always want it to be something that I own so that I always have guaranteed access to it again or the ability to share with someone. That's very much a "me" thing. So it causes subscription services to be of far less interest to me. I hate the "let's see what's available this month" feeling. I like to know that I own something and can choose to play it whenever, forever.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    None of us collect games, nor do any of us have a desire to, so this game-specific thing is very subjective.

    It is for sure. I'm a collector by nature. To me, video games are like literature and I don't like borrowed literature. I always want it to be something that I own so that I always have guaranteed access to it again or the ability to share with someone. That's very much a "me" thing. So it causes subscription services to be of far less interest to me. I hate the "let's see what's available this month" feeling. I like to know that I own something and can choose to play it whenever, forever.

    It's a bit like Netflix perhaps. You use that I thought? That is worth it to many people who don't need to permanently own everything they want to watch.



  • @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    None of us collect games, nor do any of us have a desire to, so this game-specific thing is very subjective.

    It is for sure. I'm a collector by nature. To me, video games are like literature and I don't like borrowed literature. I always want it to be something that I own so that I always have guaranteed access to it again or the ability to share with someone. That's very much a "me" thing. So it causes subscription services to be of far less interest to me. I hate the "let's see what's available this month" feeling. I like to know that I own something and can choose to play it whenever, forever.

    It's a bit like Netflix perhaps. You use that I thought? That is worth it to many people who don't need to permanently own everything they want to watch.

    Yeah, but like Netflix, you need to have enough value to keep paying monthly.
    For example, Star Trek is my go to sleep TV... so Netflix it worth it for me for now. But buying/then ripping it all to plex could end up saving me money, as I find less and less to watch on Netflix these days. But like Scott - I still have my ol' standbys that I like always have handy.
    Sadly storage for all of this video content adds up, especially if I were to put it in the cloud...



  • @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    @scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    @Obsolesce said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

    None of us collect games, nor do any of us have a desire to, so this game-specific thing is very subjective.

    It is for sure. I'm a collector by nature. To me, video games are like literature and I don't like borrowed literature. I always want it to be something that I own so that I always have guaranteed access to it again or the ability to share with someone. That's very much a "me" thing. So it causes subscription services to be of far less interest to me. I hate the "let's see what's available this month" feeling. I like to know that I own something and can choose to play it whenever, forever.

    It's a bit like Netflix perhaps. You use that I thought? That is worth it to many people who don't need to permanently own everything they want to watch.

    It is. However there are a few factors that push me to Netflix...

    1. I only really watch Netflix' own content which is permanent (for the most part.)
    2. There's no alternative, Netflix content can't be purchased.
    3. While I used to collect them, I feel that things like movies and TV shows are less "important" than video games and my inability to maintain access to them bothers me a lot less.

    That said, I still maintain a very, very large library of media that I own.



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  • @nadnerB said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:

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    Been there done that.... Ooops.



  • @nadnerB it needs an upgrade so it can do sudo apt 😛



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