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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
Yeah, I should be. But I have never pushed for any certs or anything, and have only been in the industry for around 6 years.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
Yeah, I should be. But I have never pushed for any certs or anything, and have only been in the industry for around 6 years.
You probably know more than I do and I made more than that the last job I had. You might want to look for a new job honestly.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
Yeah, I should be. But I have never pushed for any certs or anything, and have only been in the industry for around 6 years.
You probably know more than I do and I made more than that the last job I had. You might want to look for a new job honestly.
Its all self learned and experience. Without the certs its difficult getting past the HR goons. Until now, im actually happy with salary. Im just not happy with 45 - 50... for taking on all that extra work
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
Yeah, I should be. But I have never pushed for any certs or anything, and have only been in the industry for around 6 years.
You probably know more than I do and I made more than that the last job I had. You might want to look for a new job honestly.
Its all self learned and experience. Without the certs its difficult getting past the HR goons. Until now, im actually happy with salary. Im just not happy with 45 - 50... for taking on all that extra work
Same situation here. The only cert I had was my A+ due to CARF accreditation requiring it.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
Don't take the promotion if you aren't happy with the salary they plan to offer you.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
Don't take the promotion if you aren't happy with the salary they plan to offer you.
Wont it look bad to refuse? 'Not a team player' type of thinking?
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
Don't take the promotion if you aren't happy with the salary they plan to offer you.
Wont it look bad to refuse? 'Not a team player' type of thinking?
Possibly. But you can explain that you are not looking to move in that direction. To me, that seems like a step down, not a step up.
You can always negotiate your salary too.
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@dafyre said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dafyre said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
Don't take the promotion if you aren't happy with the salary they plan to offer you.
Wont it look bad to refuse? 'Not a team player' type of thinking?
Possibly. But you can explain that you are not looking to move in that direction. To me, that seems like a step down, not a step up.
You can always negotiate your salary too.
Thing is, I want to move in that direction. I'd enjoy filling that role - i'm just not sure its worth doing for only 5k extra pay. I'm pretty sure it isn't; 10k, sure - 5k, nope.
If they were to recruit, its probably 5k in recruitment fees. Then they have to train the person, get them up to speed, pay them 40k - 50k, plus pension and employer taxes etc... surely its worth throwing 10k a year, rather than paying all the above.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
Don't take the promotion if you aren't happy with the salary they plan to offer you.
Wont it look bad to refuse? 'Not a team player' type of thinking?
Possibly. But you can explain that you are not looking to move in that direction. To me, that seems like a step down, not a step up.
You can always negotiate your salary too.
Thing is, I want to move in that direction. I'd enjoy filling that role - i'm just not sure its worth doing for only 5k extra pay. I'm pretty sure it isn't; 10k, sure - 5k, nope.
If they were to recruit, its probably 5k in recruitment fees. Then they have to train the person, get them up to speed, pay them 40k - 50k, plus pension and employer taxes etc... surely its worth throwing 10k a year, rather than paying all the above.
If you want to move that way, then talk to then haggle over your salary. If they don't want to play ball, then keep your current job and dust off the resume.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mid 50s in all honesty.
Don't take the promotion if you aren't happy with the salary they plan to offer you.
Wont it look bad to refuse? 'Not a team player' type of thinking?
Possibly. But you can explain that you are not looking to move in that direction. To me, that seems like a step down, not a step up.
You can always negotiate your salary too.
Thing is, I want to move in that direction. I'd enjoy filling that role - i'm just not sure its worth doing for only 5k extra pay. I'm pretty sure it isn't; 10k, sure - 5k, nope.
If they were to recruit, its probably 5k in recruitment fees. Then they have to train the person, get them up to speed, pay them 40k - 50k, plus pension and employer taxes etc... surely its worth throwing 10k a year, rather than paying all the above.
If you want to move that way, then talk to then haggle over your salary. If they don't want to play ball, then keep your current job and dust off the resume.
I'm pretty sure that is the way I will go. Or accept it for the experience.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
Does not sound like a good move.
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@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@wirestyle22 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k. -
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@jimmy9008 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Folks, is 10% fair for a promotion in London from Systems Administrator, to manager of the customer helpdesk (not IT helpdesk but customer helpdesk, 2 staff, customer facing), and training manager (not internal but customer training, 2 staff again, and customer facing)?
In this case its going from 45k to 50k. From what I can see, a generic manager level job in London i in the 50k range. To go from doing what I do to management of those two teams, is that raise fair for London?
I mean, I've seen service desk managers get 5k bonus for hitting their targets... 5k seems low for taking on the actual jobs entirely x2.
That sounds incredibly low
Thats what I thought. What would you think is fair? I was expecting mind 50s in all honesty.
If you're actually a Systems Administrator you should be making a lot more than that, so I'm really not sure
That's decent for an SA in the UK. That's not US dollars.
65k in pounds right? Still on the low end here, but I guess it also depends on where in the US you are working
That's $88K at the current conversion, but that's not a fair comparison. Think of it more like $110K USD. All British wages are heavily suppressed because of the Brexit.
45000 GBP is 60827 USD.
This position would also still keep me doing my current system admin job. Its not a move to the helpdesk and training manager only. Its a 'heldesk + training manager + system administrator (which I currently do)'... why would that be bad?
I think I would enjoy the additional roles, but not worth doing for 5k.In that case - OH HELL NO, I wouldn't take that new responsibility for only £5K more.
