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@rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@scottalanmiller said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
Here's an easy guide to assist you in deciding whether or not you can punch a Nazi...
The great thing about free speech is that it offers no protection from the consequences of saying whatever you want. You have the right to spout off any stupid thing you want, and the rest of us have the right to pelt you with rocks, bottles, and fists.
What's sad is all of this can be avoided by following one rule:
"Don't be a dick"done. (fairly certain being a racist falls in the category of being a dick)
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@rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
The great thing about free speech is that it offers no protection from the consequences of saying whatever you want. You have the right to spout off any stupid thing you want, and the rest of us have the right to pelt you with rocks, bottles, and fists.
We don't have the right to assault or physically attack anyone.
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That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
I believe that this is what is attributed to "micro aggression" or "trigger words". Basically, they're poking a bear that doesn't need to be poked.
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
But there has to be more than that to this or else every insult essentially could be considered not protected speech which is absurd. I can come up with any excuse to just attack someone at that point which is pathetic.
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@quixoticjeremy said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
But there has to be more than that to this or else every insult essentially could be considered not protected speech which is absurd. I can come up with any excuse to just attack someone at that point which is pathetic.
No, calling someone the N word, or other racist term is protected. Actively going out and telling people they should attack or kill everyone who isn't like them isn't protected.
The difference is pretty clear.
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@quixoticjeremy said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
But there has to be more than that to this or else every insult essentially could be considered not protected speech which is absurd. I can come up with any excuse to just attack someone at that point which is pathetic.
No, calling someone the N word, or other racist term is protected. Actively going out and telling people they should attack or kill everyone who isn't like them isn't protected.
The difference is pretty clear.
Right, I'm saying there has to be more information elaborating on this that defines it so that people don't use this an excuse for violence. We're in agreement.
edit: just saying that somewhere else this is defined and laid out so that people don't feel like they have a get out of jail free card based on any little offensive thing.
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
I tend to follow Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Essentially, I don't care what you look like. I care about how you treat yourself and how you treat others without expectation of reciprocal treatment. If we each treat others as human beings, the way we want to be treated, then we will all have a better quality of life for both our individuals and society as a whole.
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@nerdydad said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
I tend to follow Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Essentially, I don't care what you look like. I care about how you treat yourself and how you treat others without expectation of reciprocal treatment. If we each treat others as human beings, the way we want to be treated, then we will all have a better quality of life for both our individuals and society as a whole.
Couldn't agree more.
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@quixoticjeremy said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
But there has to be more than that to this or else every insult essentially could be considered not protected speech which is absurd. I can come up with any excuse to just attack someone at that point which is pathetic.
Welcome to the overly sensitive, politically correct world of the 21st century. Instead of flying cars, we have safe spaces.
See also: South Park, season 19
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
is the violently specifically spelled out in the Supreme Court ruling? Or only the use of the work Incitement?
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
is the violently specifically spelled out in the Supreme Court ruling? Or only the use of the work Incitement?
That I don't know.
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
The great thing about free speech is that it offers no protection from the consequences of saying whatever you want. You have the right to spout off any stupid thing you want, and the rest of us have the right to pelt you with rocks, bottles, and fists.
We don't have the right to assault or physically attack anyone.
Maybe "right" is the wrong word here... I meant something more like "duty" when it applies to nazis.
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
is the violently specifically spelled out in the Supreme Court ruling? Or only the use of the work Incitement?
That I don't know.
I never read the ruling myself, but believe when it was explained to me is "when speech leads to the potential and direct loss in life, it is not protected". For example, you can't yell fire in a theater in fear of a cause of panic and loss in life because of trampling if there really was not a fire in the theater.
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
is the violently specifically spelled out in the Supreme Court ruling? Or only the use of the work Incitement?
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@nerdydad said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
is the violently specifically spelled out in the Supreme Court ruling? Or only the use of the work Incitement?
That I don't know.
I never read the ruling myself, but believe when it was explained to me is "when speech leads to the potential and direct loss in life, it is not protected". For example, you can't yell fire in a theater in fear of a cause of panic and loss in life because of trampling if there really was not a fire in the theater.
OK - if it's only limited in situations like this, I don't have a personal issue with it. but it could so easily be corrupted to basically remove the freedom of speech....
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@nerdydad said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
Essentially, speech that gets people to act violently against others isn't protected speech.
is the violently specifically spelled out in the Supreme Court ruling? Or only the use of the work Incitement?
That I don't know.
I never read the ruling myself, but believe when it was explained to me is "when speech leads to the potential and direct loss in life, it is not protected". For example, you can't yell fire in a theater in fear of a cause of panic and loss in life because of trampling if there really was not a fire in the theater.
OK - if it's only limited in situations like this, I don't have a personal issue with it. but it could so easily be corrupted to basically remove the freedom of speech....
It's fairly limited. The speech itself has to incite imminent lawlessness. So immediate and likely. Telling a crowd to go rob that store, and then they do so, would be caught under this law. I'm not so sure about the not-so-hypothetical Nazi situation that was presented earlier.
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@dustinb3403 said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
The great thing about free speech is that it offers no protection from the consequences of saying whatever you want. You have the right to spout off any stupid thing you want, and the rest of us have the right to pelt you with rocks, bottles, and fists.
We don't have the right to assault or physically attack anyone.
We do if they are inciting violence.
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
That incitement bit has me confused - If I remember I might have to look into that more.
On the surface that seems to imply that if your speak incites someone to action, your speak is no longer protected... but I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that.
If the action is illegal, correct. Freedom of speech cannot be used to break the law.
