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@dashrender I don't claim to care one bit about our customers, but I don't work in a field that has the word "care" in it's name. And if doctors really did care at all, the American health care system would be much less of a joke. Doctors haven't cured anything in decades because they figured out all the $$$$$$ is in treatment of disease, not eradication of disease.
You also don't use government corruption to hold your customer hostage and threaten their lives if they don't come to you.
No doubt! Though, I have hard time not thinking this is mostly driven by the insurance companies than it doctors themselves.. but that's just a feeling, one I'm sure Scott is about to tell me why it's wrong.
No, it's driven by doctors. Take away the insurance, and the issue remains 100%. Insurance companies control your money, but doctors control your access to healthcare. I use doctors directly without insurance and still am extorted. If I need medicine, I can't just buy it without paying a bribe to a doctor.
That's the way it feels with my wife and her Zoloft prescription. Gotta see the doc every 6 months to keep the refills coming.
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@dashrender I don't claim to care one bit about our customers, but I don't work in a field that has the word "care" in it's name. And if doctors really did care at all, the American health care system would be much less of a joke. Doctors haven't cured anything in decades because they figured out all the $$$$$$ is in treatment of disease, not eradication of disease.
You also don't use government corruption to hold your customer hostage and threaten their lives if they don't come to you.
No doubt! Though, I have hard time not thinking this is mostly driven by the insurance companies than it doctors themselves.. but that's just a feeling, one I'm sure Scott is about to tell me why it's wrong.
No, it's driven by doctors. Take away the insurance, and the issue remains 100%. Insurance companies control your money, but doctors control your access to healthcare. I use doctors directly without insurance and still am extorted. If I need medicine, I can't just buy it without paying a bribe to a doctor.
You feel that you should just be able to order any medicine you want? I'm not convinced of that yet. On one hand - hey, you want it, you buy it, you take it, you die - you problem.
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@dashrender I don't claim to care one bit about our customers, but I don't work in a field that has the word "care" in it's name. And if doctors really did care at all, the American health care system would be much less of a joke. Doctors haven't cured anything in decades because they figured out all the $$$$$$ is in treatment of disease, not eradication of disease.
You also don't use government corruption to hold your customer hostage and threaten their lives if they don't come to you.
No doubt! Though, I have hard time not thinking this is mostly driven by the insurance companies than it doctors themselves.. but that's just a feeling, one I'm sure Scott is about to tell me why it's wrong.
No, it's driven by doctors. Take away the insurance, and the issue remains 100%. Insurance companies control your money, but doctors control your access to healthcare. I use doctors directly without insurance and still am extorted. If I need medicine, I can't just buy it without paying a bribe to a doctor.
That's the way it feels with my wife and her Zoloft prescription. Gotta see the doc every 6 months to keep the refills coming.
yeah - that seems over zealous requirement for visits. Has your wife asked why the need for such frequent visits? If so, what was the reasoning?
I definitely agree that some doctors hold you hostage with visits that aren't needed to line their pockets.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
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@rojoloco said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
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So why the high cost for healthcare in the US compared to other countries? Are doctors still to blame? Is some of this blame to be put on pharmaceuticals? I heard one time that the reason why healthcare costs so much is because the research for new medicines is done in the US. I also believe that there is some corruption going on between gov and healthcare/drug companies because of all of the red tape. "If I get a piece of the pie, I'll make sure that your new drug is FDA approved" kind of thing. Is it because of socialized medicine in other countries, such as the UK or Canada help keeps the costs down to the end user, but how about the costs to tax payers?
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
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@nerdydad The reason healthcare cost so much in the US is because 'Merica!
No, really, it's because of 'Merica and the laws and regulations to be able to practice medicine here. With health insurance providers dictating what they'll cover, and the in-ability of a lot of people to pay out of pocket.
Doctors used to get paid cash, but that quickly fell out as people failed to pay. But it was a "keep people alive" first bill later case.
Still is, which means insurance is hedging their bets against a massive group of people all becoming sick at the same time.
It's not just a research only issue, or pharma issue. It's the entire system that has caused medical treatment in the US to cost so much.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
Insurance providers might dictate the followup visits.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
Insurance providers might dictate the followup visits.
I suppose that's possible - but in that case, it would be the insurance company robbing people not the doctors.
That said, I'm not aware of any insurance company mandating regular visits on our patients, but there are definitely many from the doctors themselves - see you in 3 months, see you in 6, etc.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
Insurance providers might dictate the followup visits.
I suppose that's possible - but in that case, it would be the insurance company robbing people not the doctors.
That said, I'm not aware of any insurance company mandating regular visits on our patients, but there are definitely many from the doctors themselves - see you in 3 months, see you in 6, etc.
Of course that alone proves nothing, it's possible that they really need to be checked up upon in that amount of time.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
Insurance providers might dictate the followup visits.
I suppose that's possible - but in that case, it would be the insurance company robbing people not the doctors.
That said, I'm not aware of any insurance company mandating regular visits on our patients, but there are definitely many from the doctors themselves - see you in 3 months, see you in 6, etc.
Exactly, but many people correlate the insurer with the doctor. Or the doctors office with the doctor.
The employer may dictate that the doctor require follow ups every so often. There's all kinds of ways it could be, and many ways that it actually is.
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@dashrender I don't claim to care one bit about our customers, but I don't work in a field that has the word "care" in it's name. And if doctors really did care at all, the American health care system would be much less of a joke. Doctors haven't cured anything in decades because they figured out all the $$$$$$ is in treatment of disease, not eradication of disease.
You also don't use government corruption to hold your customer hostage and threaten their lives if they don't come to you.
No doubt! Though, I have hard time not thinking this is mostly driven by the insurance companies than it doctors themselves.. but that's just a feeling, one I'm sure Scott is about to tell me why it's wrong.
No, it's driven by doctors. Take away the insurance, and the issue remains 100%. Insurance companies control your money, but doctors control your access to healthcare. I use doctors directly without insurance and still am extorted. If I need medicine, I can't just buy it without paying a bribe to a doctor.
That's the way it feels with my wife and her Zoloft prescription. Gotta see the doc every 6 months to keep the refills coming.
yeah - that seems over zealous requirement for visits. Has your wife asked why the need for such frequent visits? If so, what was the reasoning?
I definitely agree that some doctors hold you hostage with visits that aren't needed to line their pockets.
Just a "routine checkup to make sure they don't need to adjust it"... How about we call you if we think something is up?
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
It was the same as the previous doctor. I think I saw someone mention insurance requirements. Seems to fit the bill here too.
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@dashrender said in Random Thread - Anything Goes:
I definitely agree that some doctors hold you hostage with visits that aren't needed to line their pockets.
All doctors do, it's part of being a doctor. It's not "some".
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
Insurance providers might dictate the followup visits.
That's between them and the doctor, though.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
Money. Didn't have much of it at the time, and I needed those dollars more than a damn doctor. But even if I had a money fountain, I'm not really into the whole going to the doctor bit. Most of the ones I've been to are somewhere between totally checked out and downright asshole.
That's why I'm saying - find a new doctor, one that doesn't require frequent visits for things like medication refills, etc. Once a year, I'm currently OK with, kinda like changing your password once a year, just because. But more often then that - I need a good reason why you need to see me for a non narcotic med refill.
Insurance providers might dictate the followup visits.
That's between them and the doctor, though.
The doctor who would tell his paycheck, no I don't want you under these conditions?
The insurance is putting these mandates on the doctors and hospitals.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
That's a great theory, but doesn't work in practice. They all work the same way more or less. There are better and worse ones, but just being a doctor means you are going to be working in a certain mode. You can't get completely away from these issues.
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@dafyre That's exactly my problem with doctors. I've been in that exact situation, and I decided to go unmedicated instead of paying out the ass for an Rx refill.
Why not find a new doctor?
That's a great theory, but doesn't work in practice. They all work the same way more or less. There are better and worse ones, but just being a doctor means you are going to be working in a certain mode. You can't get completely away from these issues.
In your travels, what country have you found that has the best healthcare and why? What could America learn from their system?
