Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID
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@pete-s said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
Fax will die for sure, just like telegrams and telex have died before fax.
It's said that it's the US health care system that has kept fax alive on borrowed time for years.
Fax machines have actually been dead in many parts of the western world for a decade or two already. With dead I mean that companies, hospitals and government simply don't have any fax numbers anymore and can neither send nor receive a fax. But it's different from country to country and dependent on the laws mostly.
yeah - I just don't believe that.. - other countries - yes I believe that, USA - nope.
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@pete-s said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
Fax machines have actually been dead in many parts of the western world for a decade or two already.
Pretty sure they don't exist here in Nicaragua. I've never seen one and never heard one mentioned and as there are NO land lines or traditional phone systems, I can't imagine how it could work. I should ask if it ever caught on here.
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@scottalanmiller said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@pete-s said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
Fax machines have actually been dead in many parts of the western world for a decade or two already.
Pretty sure they don't exist here in Nicaragua. I've never seen one and never heard one mentioned and as there are NO land lines or traditional phone systems, I can't imagine how it could work. I should ask if it ever caught on here.
Because of no land lines - it's no surprise they weren't a big thing if ever a thing there.
What's the primary delivery method for internet there now?
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Copper is going away this year.
In August 2019, the FCC issued order 19-72A1, mandating that all U.S. POTS lines get replaced with an alternative service by August 2, 2022.
Source: https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real
FCC Source: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0925/FCC-15-97A1.pdf
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@jaredbusch said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
Copper is going away this year.
In August 2019, the FCC issued order 19-72A1, mandating that all U.S. POTS lines get replaced with an alternative service by August 2, 2022.
FCC Source: https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0925/FCC-15-97A1.pdf
I just skimmed this doc.
If I am understanding the gist correctly, they basically want VOIP everywhere correct?
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@pmoncho said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
If I am understanding the gist correctly, they basically want VOIP everywhere correct?
Just not POTS. But VoIP has been the only logical mechanism for voice calls for decades now.
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@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What's the primary delivery method for internet there now?
Fiber
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@scottalanmiller said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What's the primary delivery method for internet there now?
Fiber
Unless you include cell service. Obviously tons of people opt for just smart phones with the 350 Mb/s 4G cell service that covers the entire country from dual suppliers (Tigo and Claro.) Super fast and super cheap, so for many people, that's all that they use. For those with computers and want "home Internet" fiber rules, with cable still playing a significant role.
But like our house in Leon gets cable over fiber (fiber from the street to a box that splits to Ethernet for data and cable for television.)
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We still have a number of POTS lines here at the office(s). But - we are looking for an avenue away from them. The new Lexmark printer we are starting to deploy will do POTS and etherFax - we are working to migrate to etherFax I believe... But - with these new printers I can take an analog fax and save it to the NAS and not actually print it.
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@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
We still have a number of POTS lines here at the office(s). But - we are looking for an avenue away from them. The new Lexmark printer we are starting to deploy will do POTS and etherFax - we are working to migrate to etherFax I believe...
What is etherFax?
But - with these new printers I can take an analog fax and save it to the NAS and not actually print it.
We've been doing that for 20+ years. Though it still amazes me how many people just have and fax machine spitting out paper.
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@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
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@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
Interesting - so it's email for fax machines
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@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
we are working to migrate to etherFax I believe.
So just a way of avoiding free, secure email to do something questionable and cumbersome? Why? Why do people hate security and efficiency so much!!
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@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
Interesting - so it's email for fax machines
Yeah, it's a non-fax machine that is avoiding using the industry standard replacement that is extremely secure and everyone already has, while also completely avoiding faxing.
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@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
We have set FORCE TLS on all of our outgoing email. This ensures that we only send email over encrypted connections.
if your management would accept that - then you too could do the same.
The issue is getting the other side to have a process for dealing with receiving emails instead of faxes.
We have M365 - I use power automate to watch a shared mailbox - and when an attachment comes in - it pulls it out and saves it to a folder in sharepoint. that folder is mapped into OneDrive for Business for those who need it. Works pretty slick.
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@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
We have set FORCE TLS on all of our outgoing email. This ensures that we only send email over encrypted connections.
if your management would accept that - then you too could do the same.
The issue is getting the other side to have a process for dealing with receiving emails instead of faxes.
We have M365 - I use power automate to watch a shared mailbox - and when an attachment comes in - it pulls it out and saves it to a folder in sharepoint. that folder is mapped into OneDrive for Business for those who need it. Works pretty slick.
The goal - at some point - is to follow the same thought. Fax pops across etherFax and is then dropped into ODfB for the site / department. Most of the faxes that come in are one that are put right into the EMR - so there isn't much need to print...
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@dashrender THisis an awsome idea. I need to lay with this!
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@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
We have set FORCE TLS on all of our outgoing email. This ensures that we only send email over encrypted connections.
if your management would accept that - then you too could do the same.
The issue is getting the other side to have a process for dealing with receiving emails instead of faxes.
We have M365 - I use power automate to watch a shared mailbox - and when an attachment comes in - it pulls it out and saves it to a folder in sharepoint. that folder is mapped into OneDrive for Business for those who need it. Works pretty slick.
The goal - at some point - is to follow the same thought. Fax pops across etherFax and is then dropped into ODfB for the site / department. Most of the faxes that come in are one that are put right into the EMR - so there isn't much need to print...
Does etherfax failout to to real fax calling from their office when the other side doesn't have etherfax?
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@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@gjacobse said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
What is etherFax?
We have set FORCE TLS on all of our outgoing email. This ensures that we only send email over encrypted connections.
if your management would accept that - then you too could do the same.
The issue is getting the other side to have a process for dealing with receiving emails instead of faxes.
We have M365 - I use power automate to watch a shared mailbox - and when an attachment comes in - it pulls it out and saves it to a folder in sharepoint. that folder is mapped into OneDrive for Business for those who need it. Works pretty slick.
The goal - at some point - is to follow the same thought. Fax pops across etherFax and is then dropped into ODfB for the site / department. Most of the faxes that come in are one that are put right into the EMR - so there isn't much need to print...
Why are you accepting your own faxes? Your EMR (my EMR) will accept the faxes directly for you.
We originally turned this on Day one with that EMR - but turned it off 6 months later because the Vendor was attaching old notes to new orders and closing the orders causing them not to actually happen. Huge medical issues there.
2 years ago we turned it back on - all faxes go to the EMR vendor directly - they sort them into patient charts directly, label them, etc. Those that can't be sorted are assigned to our Medical Records staff to handle. This last part includes things like memos, ads, etc that aren't medical in nature.
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@jt1001001 said in Will faxes ever die - cheapest way to forward a DID:
@dashrender THisis an awsome idea. I need to lay with this!
Yeah - this was a really nice solution -
This customer has FreePBX which will accept faxes - FreePBX forwards to a shared mailbox. Then Power Automate picks up the file and drops it in SP as I said.
This solution really improved the workflow - even when it was - Faxes into Fax machine - saved to a local file share - the problem was users couldn't access the faxes from home - moving it all to Sharepoint solved that problem.
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