Best practice security updates linux servers?
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@VoIP_n00b said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller Who?
Naming customers in public is not something people do in IT. Nor is in considered okay to ask.
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This whole approach of not doing updates on mission critical system is nonsensical. Admins need to grow a set and setup automatic updates on everything by default. If stuff breaks when you update it, that's on software vendor, period.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@VoIP_n00b said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller Who?
Naming customers in public is not something people do in IT. Nor is in considered okay to ask.
I can't remember where you fall on the asking about salary thing?
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@marcinozga said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
This whole approach of not doing updates on mission critical system is nonsensical. Admins need to grow a set and setup automatic updates on everything by default. If stuff breaks when you update it, that's on software vendor, period.
LOL - sure of course, we'd love this to be true... it may be on the software vendor, but it's still on you as the one who has to support it for the company.
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@Dashrender I believe @scottalanmiller said that it is okay to share what salary you earn.
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@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@VoIP_n00b said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller Who?
Naming customers in public is not something people do in IT. Nor is in considered okay to ask.
I can't remember where you fall on the asking about salary thing?
Salary is a personal matter. You should always be allowed to disclose details about yourself.
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@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@marcinozga said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
This whole approach of not doing updates on mission critical system is nonsensical. Admins need to grow a set and setup automatic updates on everything by default. If stuff breaks when you update it, that's on software vendor, period.
LOL - sure of course, we'd love this to be true... it may be on the software vendor, but it's still on you as the one who has to support it for the company.
Only if you chose it, and if you chose a vendor that doesn't have working software, that's something to ponder.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
Salary is a personal matter. You should always be allowed to disclose details about yourself.
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@VoIP_n00b said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
Salary is a personal matter. You should always be allowed to disclose details about yourself.
Exactly, I've actually seen that before. But it's well known in the industry, too. In high end positions, people discuss their salaries all of the time.
It's not just within a single company. The entire IT industry does this. IT pros are constantly hiding their salaries, or worse, claiming that those that make better salaries than them are lying or anomalies. You see it here on ML a lot. People feel badly that they've negotiated so low and resent people finding out, but people with decent salaries often share, and get attacked for showing what can be earned.
There's so much pressure to shame people into hiding their salaries and IT pros tend to be very susceptible to that kind of pressure that we have an industry earning so much less than it should.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@VoIP_n00b said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
Salary is a personal matter. You should always be allowed to disclose details about yourself.
Exactly, I've actually seen that before. But it's well known in the industry, too. In high end positions, people discuss their salaries all of the time.
It's not just within a single company. The entire IT industry does this. IT pros are constantly hiding their salaries, or worse, claiming that those that make better salaries than them are lying or anomalies. You see it here on ML a lot. People feel badly that they've negotiated so low and resent people finding out, but people with decent salaries often share, and get attacked for showing what can be earned.
There's so much pressure to shame people into hiding their salaries and IT pros tend to be very susceptible to that kind of pressure that we have an industry earning so much less than it should.
What industries don't you find this in?
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@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
What industries don't you find this in?
Well my exposure is less. But what I've seen everything from medical to manufacturing to finance to business to retail people share wages much more freely.
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
What industries don't you find this in?
Well my exposure is less. But what I've seen everything from medical to manufacturing to finance to business to retail people share wages much more freely.
I've always assumed that keeping salary private was the norm as I've never really seen or heard anyone discuss it before. I'm sure it happens from time to time, but I think people want their income kept private.
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@DustinB3403 said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
What industries don't you find this in?
Well my exposure is less. But what I've seen everything from medical to manufacturing to finance to business to retail people share wages much more freely.
I've always assumed that keeping salary private was the norm as I've never really seen or heard anyone discuss it before. I'm sure it happens from time to time, but I think people want their income kept private.
That's what businesses want you to think.
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One of the points of unions is to make everyone's income public.
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Same thing with public servants, military, many executives, etc. Their salaries aren't just exposed a little, they are published across the board.
That's how far the government goes, it's not just "you can tell people your own", but actually "we make everyone public."
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@scottalanmiller said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
Same thing with public servants, military, many executives, etc. Their salaries aren't just exposed a little, they are published across the board.
That's how far the government goes, it's not just "you can tell people your own", but actually "we make everyone public."
Right, but in government - you generally earn based on a formula that leaves little if any room for outside influences...
You do X job title, been there y years - you earn A amount. Period.
This isn't the case at all in many private industry jobs.
If you have a job where you can easily quantitate the output to determine value - say a line worker on an automotive factory floor, then sure, but then again, in that job, you're really no different than the government jobs.
But even in retail jobs, you have good people and you have not so good people... If every knows what everyone else is making... I'm not sure that that helps? it either gets the slackers to be over paid, or the heros to be underpaid... saying Well - Johnny is just better employee than you, so I choose to pay him more, that isn't going to make people happy, it will likely make them less happy...
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now when you're talking executives, and salaries are based on the company's value/revenues, etc.. that could be a different conversation..
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@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
Right, but in government - you generally earn based on a formula that leaves little if any room for outside influences...
Sure, but is that an important factor?
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@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
This isn't the case at all in many private industry jobs.
Mostly because they use very few titles. Both are equally silly.
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@Dashrender said in Best practice security updates linux servers?:
saying Well - Johnny is just better employee than you, so I choose to pay him more, that isn't going to make people happy, it will likely make them less happy...
You are looking at it from the employer's perspective. Of course it doesn't help the employer. It helps the employee when they can see what X work is worth. If employee 1 makes X for a job, and employee 2 wants to know their own value, they have something to go on. If you don't know what others are paid you have almost nothing to go on.
Remember on Spiceworks when loads of people would claim that $65K was the IT industry cap? Imagine if people (and companies) were able to repeat that without anyone speaking up! People would surmise that if $65K is the top for a CIO, that a system admin must cap out at $50K and a helpdesk tech at $9/hr!
But in the real world, we know that CIOs make well into the seven figure range, admins can get well into the multiple six figures. Even good help desk leads can hit six figures. If we didn't have others to compare against, it's easy to see people misunderstanding the scope of the industry by an order of magnitude.
