My Weekend Linux Misadventure
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@Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Wasn't someone saying last week that nvidia on Linux still sucked? AMD/ATI was better?
Sucked and don't work aren't the same, though.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
I thought, oh no problem.Did you allow Ubuntu to deploy third party packages during the install process? It should have picked up the Nvidia stuff at that time.
Yes! I followed what you said and ticked the box.
It sucks, I tried really hard and for a long while to get this going.
I'm disappointed, but I'll get this working eventually. It's just on my main computer so...I wanted to play some Warhammer badly haha.Breaking things is just a part of the learning process. It's helpful
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Just to throw another couple of options in, if you're looking at other flavors of Linux, consider Manjaro and Sabayon, they're both rolling release and based on well-known projects (Arch and Gentoo respectively). I havn't tried gaming with either one but thye're both supposed to have support for the closed source drivers out of the box as well as Steam and playsonlinux (wine front end) support.
I was a long-time Linux Mint user (built on Ubuntu's LTS base) but have changed to Manjaro Cinnamon and XFCE (depending on the system's power)
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@Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Scott and others were talking about some other Linux OS that was specifically designed with Windows like APIs for games that hadn't been ported - though I don't recall the name of it.
SteamOS is really just Ubuntu with Steam built in.
That doesn't address drivers, though.
And the Proton compatibility layer is available universally, it is built into the Steam agent.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Another issue it kept talking about the Noveau driver being installed so the install can't continue. Found a guide to disable and blacklist that driver, rebooted, installed nvidia driver again, install failed, but completed. Driver shows up under "Proprietary drivers in use", there were three nvidia drivers, game reported with each (after rebooting when switching) that no driver was found for display.
Noveau is an open source Nvidia driver replacement. If it is there, the commercial Nvidia drives can't be installed. Has to be one or the other.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.
Don't look at old versions at all, keep solely to current. If current doesn't work, and somehow old ones do, you are screwed anyway long term.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Fired up the game again, "Your video card is not supported or drivers are not installed" something like that.
I thought, oh no problem.Did you allow Ubuntu to deploy third party packages during the install process? It should have picked up the Nvidia stuff at that time.
Yes! I followed what you said and ticked the box.
It sucks, I tried really hard and for a long while to get this going.
I'm disappointed, but I'll get this working eventually. It's just on my main computer so...I wanted to play some Warhammer badly haha.That really sucks. Both Ubuntu and Fedora have pretty consistently worked for me out of the box for gaming systems. And on Nvidia too.
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@JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Unlike the bastardized step child that is Ubuntu, the point of Fedora is that it is a clean FOSS install.
What do you mean "unlike", Ubuntu is the same as requires that you enable third party repos to get the commercial stuff.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
I used this: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
Workstation 30That's the default, which is Gnome3.
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@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.
Don't look at old versions at all, keep solely to current. If current doesn't work, and somehow old ones do, you are screwed anyway long term.
Well yeah, that's why first thing I did was grab the 19.04. I spent by far the most amount of time trying to get that to work.
Could be the laptop hardware, maybe HP Omens are more difficult to make work for Linux. Very briefly looked into that, but came up empty. -
@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
I used this: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
Workstation 30That's the default, which is Gnome3.
Next time, I'll check into Cinnamon. Even years ago I recall people raving about it.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
I used this: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
Workstation 30That's the default, which is Gnome3.
Next time, I'll check into Cinnamon. Even years ago I recall people raving about it.
It is what Mint uses. That is Ubuntu/Debian based, and super popular.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@scottalanmiller said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Damn. Wish I saw that sooner. I installed 19.04 first though, but I need to try that next time.
Don't look at old versions at all, keep solely to current. If current doesn't work, and somehow old ones do, you are screwed anyway long term.
Well yeah, that's why first thing I did was grab the 19.04. I spent by far the most amount of time trying to get that to work.
Could be the laptop hardware, maybe HP Omens are more difficult to make work for Linux. Very briefly looked into that, but came up empty.Yeah, can be an issue. I've had terrible luck with my Asus RoG stuff, but Ubuntu works great on it (I tried Fedora first, it does not.)
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@JaredBusch Ohhhhhhhh ok, interesting.
OK so, here's my laptop: https://www.amazon.com/HP-i7-7700HQ-Processor-Solid-State-17-ap010nr/dp/B075LKSJZ7/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=omen+1070&qid=1565031272&s=gateway&sr=8-2
Apparently the video card in the device is a full 1070, not the dumbed down mobile 1070, supposedly.
What if...Linux was choosing a mobile driver and not the full version?
The version the Omen has is the regular 1070 (Albeit 90% of a desktop 1070 of course), not a...max q 1070.
Maybe I was installing the wrong driver.
Though I did also try third party repositories, PPA specifically, to auto install drivers...This could explain though why the installation failed so many times, I've been downloading the Notebook version of the 1070 driver since...I have a fu*(ing notebook.
Hmmm, though this doesn't explain why the driver didn't become the default when I ticked the third party driver box.
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Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
What if...Linux was choosing a mobile driver and not the full version?
That's not how anything works on any OS.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This could explain though why the installation failed so many times, I've been downloading the Notebook version of the 1070 driver since...I have a fu*(ing notebook.
This is 100% likely. Users error is almost always the problem.
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@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
Damn - that's what I would expect. that's how Windows generally works - you don't install a 100% specific driver for your 'exact' card - you install a driver that has dozens if not hundreds of cards supported, and it installs the bits needed upon detection of the hardware.
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@JaredBusch said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
This could explain though why the installation failed so many times, I've been downloading the Notebook version of the 1070 driver since...I have a fu*(ing notebook.
This is 100% likely. Users error is almost always the problem.
PEBCAK
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@Dashrender said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
@kamidon said in My Weekend Linux Misadventure:
Ah though then again, I don't think it matters which option you choose for nvidia drivers, every install seems to be the exact same size and then the application chooses a driver for you based on your driver ID...or something like that.
Damn - that's what I would expect. that's how Windows generally works - you don't install a 100% specific driver for your 'exact' card - you install a driver that has dozens if not hundreds of cards supported, and it installs the bits needed upon detection of the hardware.
Of course JB will call me a moron now for thinking this is acceptable.
