Email server options
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@JaredBusch what would it take to create you're own- self hosted zimbra server?
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@WrCombs said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch what would it take to create you're own- self hosted zimbra server?
@dbeato wrote this.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/16490/setup-zimbra-8-8-6-on-centos-7Setting it up is not horrid.
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Self hosted is obviously a downside to email for a SMB.
We are not in the business of hosting email. I am not adding that liability to our company.
If the client wants self hosted, it exists on their premises or colo or wtf-ever, and we make sure backups etc.
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If they are using Outlook, how are they licensed? Will they continue to use the full Outlook client if you go with Office 365 or Exchange? If that is the case, you probably need to factor the tier that includes the office software for Business, etc.
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@wrx7m said in Email server options:
If they are using Outlook, how are they licensed? Will they continue to use the full Outlook client if you go with Office 365 or Exchange? If that is the case, you probably need to factor the tier that includes the office software for Business, etc.
You likely need to reread what I typed. Because nothing you say here matters to what I said.
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We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
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@JaredBusch You said that they are currently using Outlook. Will they continue to use Outlook if you stick with Exchange or go to Office 365?
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@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch You said that they are currently using Outlook. Will they continue to use Outlook if you stick with Exchange or go to Office 365?
Outlook works with every single option listed above. It has nothing to do with the choice of email server.
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@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
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Keep MailCow in the list for self hosted along with Zimbra, too.
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@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
Agreed. However, when discussing Office 365, they are usually intertwined.
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@scottalanmiller said in Email server options:
Keep MailCow in the list for self hosted along with Zimbra, too.
Added. Now i need information about it.
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@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
Agreed. However, when discussing Office 365, they are usually intertwined.
Never.
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@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
Agreed. However, when discussing Office 365, they are usually intertwined.
Never.
OK. Please explain how they don't offer licensing packages/tiers with both, Exchange online and the client software.
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@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
Agreed. However, when discussing Office 365, they are usually intertwined.
Never.
OK. Please explain how they don't offer licensing packages/tiers with both, Exchange online and the client software.
I never said they did not. You keep injecting shit here.
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@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
Agreed. However, when discussing Office 365, they are usually intertwined.
Never.
OK. Please explain how they don't offer licensing packages/tiers with both, Exchange online and the client software.
I never said they did not. You keep injecting shit here.
OK. Good luck.
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@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
@wrx7m said in Email server options:
We had slightly fewer mailboxes. I did a 6-year projection for just the software licensing costs of Exchange 2016 vs Office 365 Business Premium and since we already used proplus, the self-hosted Exchange was far more costly. Obviously, if you aren't already using an Office365 plan in some regards, the comparison is going to be closer.
You mixed licensing the desktop clients with the server licensing. those are separate and distinct needs.
Agreed. However, when discussing Office 365, they are usually intertwined.
Never.
OK. Please explain how they don't offer licensing packages/tiers with both, Exchange online and the client software.
I never said they did not. You keep injecting shit here.
OK. Good luck.
i very clearly specified Exchange Online Plan 1. Nothing else.
Office365 has many licenses that include many things. I never denied that.
But I stated, you never mix desktop application decisions with email server decisions.Do they potentially work together? sometimes. But when I also specified Outlook, not Office, that matters.
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I'd stick with the Exchange based back end.
As far as migrating goes, there's plenty of third party products out there, or, if there's not a lot of users then a simple export to PST and import on the new setup would work.
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Costs updated in OP for Options A-C.
Re: Option C & D : What about spam filtering? Currently the client has $1 /user/month from Google for their on site Exchange 2010. That adds $1,440/year.
@JaredBusch said in Email server options:
Option A : O365 Exchange Online plan 1 $4/user/month - $5,760 per year
Option B : ZoHo $1-$6 /user/month - $1,440 - $8,640 / year
Option C : Self hosted Exchange 2019 - $17,000 in licensing (120 Exchange User CALS is the largest chunk)
Option D : Self hosted Zimbra/Mailcow - only setup time (needs calculated) -
$17,000 (Exchange on premises) + $5,760(SPAM filter for 4 years) / $5,760 (O365 EO Plan 1) = 3.95 aka 4 years break even
