Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email
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@Obsolesce Conversation View isn't just "sort my emails by the subject" but also applies "Focused Inbox" settings by default.
You can go and change the settings so it doesn't do this, but the default is "let outlook determine what I see" and it's just annoying.
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@DustinB3403 said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
Conversation View isn't just "sort my emails by the subject" but also applies "Focused Inbox" settings by default.
Firstly, Conversation view "sorts" by date, and "groups" them by subject.
Secondly, Focused Inbox is a completely separate feature you can turn on/off separately from converstaion view...
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I purposely use conversation view in email. It's very convenient that way, having all message of the same chain together and easily referenced without leaving.
I recently tried without it thinking it'd be better again without it, but I quickly found myself turning it back on.
I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Or they have CV turned on, and some kind of weird sorting or who knows.
I never miss new emails. Not becuase I get notifications (i usually ignore them anyways), but because just like non-conversation view, new emails always appear at the top, always, in bold "unread" text. Yes, the rest of the conversation is behind it, and is shown if you click the drop-down, but I have no idea what he's talking about. It's not like he says AT ALL, not with Outlook, not with Gmail, now in OWA, nowhere I've ever seen, not with anybody.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I do hate focused inbox and turn that off.
Yeah I always have focused Inbox off as well. Dumb as hell, and many emails that should be "focused", are not, and vice versa. I can see this being the cause of missing/not seeing emails.
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@DustinB3403 said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
What I find the most weird about CV is that it also seems to only show emails that you "tend to read" and hides others.
I know Google is like that, but that's just a shit show of an email system. That's not specifically a conversation issue, just a Google one. I think in Exchange and Outlook that it is still "show all email" just in a confusing, painful way.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I purposely use conversation view in email. It's very convenient that way, having all message of the same chain together and easily referenced without leaving.
It seems like it would be, but holy hell I can never find anything if I do that.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@DustinB3403 said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I purposely use conversation view in email. It's very convenient that way, having all message of the same chain together and easily referenced without leaving.
I recently tried without it thinking it'd be better again without it, but I quickly found myself turning it back on.
Then you've obviously not encountered an issue of "DID YOU SEE THE EMAIL I SENT YOU 3 HOURS AGO, WHERE THE HELL ARE WE AT WITH THIS" type of problem.
Conversation view is fucking dumb.
Every time you get a new email when in converstaion view, it's shown at the very top, just like normal, as it's a new email... no idea what you're talking about.
Not any that I've used. Partially because the conversation and chronology don't always line up. And partially because Google does the opposite.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I never miss new emails. Not becuase I get notifications (i usually ignore them anyways), but because just like non-conversation view, new emails always appear at the top, always, in bold "unread" text. Yes, the rest of the conversation is behind it, and is shown if you click the drop-down, but I have no idea what he's talking about. It's not like he says AT ALL, not with Outlook, not with Gmail, now in OWA, nowhere I've ever seen, not with anybody.
CV specifically does not work that way for me. Probably because once I'm done with an email I don't keep it in my inbox so that I stay on top of organization and what needs to be done.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
This is a "focused inbox" issue, not conversation view, and completely separate from it.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
There are a few people I work with that sort all emails into a like a million different folders. It's awful. Every time they need to look something up they're searching through folders like crazy. Just leave it all in one place and use the search bar at the top...
No experience with CV though, and focused was certainly a waste of programming time.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
This is a "focused inbox" issue, not conversation view, and completely separate from it.
What is?
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@bnrstnr said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I use it as well. I do hate focused inbox and turn that off. Like you mentioned, I never have issues finding new emails, they always appear at the top. I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
There are a few people I work with that sort all emails into a like a million different folders. It's awful. Every time they need to look something up they're searching through folders like crazy. Just leave it all in one place and use the search bar at the top...
No experience with CV though, and focused was certainly a waste of programming time.
I sort into ONE folder. I archive everything I'm done with in one place (okay two, one for work stuff, one for personal.) That's all. So it makes sorting WAY cleaner. But it means CV can't work.
Just archiving mails so that they aren't in your inbox, considered the most basic way people should use email, makes CV a huge problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
If you organize by sender, but that is actually not very helpful as it's a very easy search filter to use. It makes more sense to organize by subject in most cases. Automated rules sorting by sender don't really mean jack. I've seen people have 40 different folders for that. Absolutely no reason to do so as it's the most used search filter known to email.
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CV seems to be based on the people who simply let their email pile up in one folder forever. It's like enabling the worst behaviour.
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@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@IRJ said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
I think the reason people don't see emails is because they have CV and have a very extensive folder system where they miss a notification there, but not because CV view.
Right, if you organize your mails, CV becomes a mess. Because you want current email one place and old email another, and conversations are split between all kinds of organization.
If you organize by sender, but that is actually not very helpful as it's a very easy search filter to use. It makes more sense to organize by subject in most cases. Automated rules sorting by sender don't really mean jack. I've seen people have 40 different folders for that. Absolutely no reason to do so as it's the most used search filter known to email.
I don't organize by anything and it has the problem. Not sure why people organize by stuff, other than a few super basic things, it's just unnecessary noise.
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@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
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Kind of like ML categories. Having a handful of discrete places to organize things lets people search: serious posts, funny posts, platform announcements, job listings, etc. Things that never cross over between them. But if you do SW style folders with a folder for every possible thing, it doesn't work as you can't tell where things go as 100 folders apply to every topic.
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@Obsolesce said in Does Anyone Actually Use Conversation View Intentionally for Email:
@scottalanmiller let's do a little test. I'll PM you my personal email (Outlook.com), and you can send me an email from whatever you want. I'll respond with gibberish, then archive the first email, then you respond and we'll see what it looks like. I'll do screenshots.
okay
