Building a Mail Server
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@mroth911 I don't consider self-hosted email as a viable and cost-effective alternative anymore.
My advice is to go with a managed service like G Suite or O365, like everyone else is doing. Consider mail like any other istante messaging like Whatsapp and Telegram, just like a service. If you can't spend 3-4€/month per user, ehm... maybe you have other issues. -
@Francesco-Provino said in Building a Mail Server:
@mroth911 I don't consider self-hosted email as a viable and cost-effective alternative anymore.
My advice is to go with a managed service like G Suite or O365, like everyone else is doing. Consider mail like any other istante messaging like Whatsapp and Telegram, just like a service. If you can't spend 3-4€/month per user, ehm... maybe you have other issues.I do agree, most companies should go to 365, especially at the current cost it is. It would not surprise me that microsoft will raise the costs a considerable amount more per user within time though.
G suite have raised their prices which is more than 365, which was a stupid move, who would choose G suite over 365, it's crap in comparison. -
@StuartJordan O365 is only cheaper than GSuite when comparing pure email versus a lot of features. Its not a super low price. An OK price, but not cheap.
Now Zoho is cheap.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Now Zoho is cheap.
$2/user if you want imap (or active sync).
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@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Now Zoho is cheap.
$2/user if you want imap (or active sync).
Used to be, but went up to $3, sadly. NTG was going to move to it, and it went up right as we tried to make the move. So we switched gears because the 50% price hike was a pretty big change to our numbers. We decided that Zimbra made more sense because of that. It tipped the scales for us.
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@scottalanmiller if you already have the knowledge to manage and have decent infrastructure, then I see no problem using Zimbra. The average Joe IT manager who hasn't touched Linux, then I'd say no...
In fact your uptime has probably been more than 365 with their recent downtimes lol.
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@StuartJordan said in Building a Mail Server:
In fact your uptime has probably been more than 365 with their recent downtimes lol.
We actually pulled the trigger on moving due to an O365 outage. We were able to migrate and move over to Zimbra faster than MS was able to support O365!
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@StuartJordan said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller if you already have the knowledge to manage and have decent infrastructure, then I see no problem using Zimbra. The average Joe IT manager who hasn't touched Linux, then I'd say no...
I agree, we are a special case. We ran the numbers and know that it works well for us, but still don't advise customers to do it.
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@StuartJordan MXRoute definitely looks interesting. If we were shopping again, I'd strongly consider their offering.
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I just realized that the MXRoute guys are semi-local to us here in the DFW.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
I just realized that the MXRoute guys are semi-local to us here in the DFW.
I'm not aware of their product to be fair. You have been getting on ok with Zimbra though haven't you? Have you tried Mailcow yet?
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@StuartJordan said in Building a Mail Server:
You have been getting on ok with Zimbra though haven't you? Have you tried Mailcow yet?
We have, Zimbra has been good. Not testing MailCow yet, but soon.
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I like the features you get with Zimbra, like shared mailboxes, calendars etc. A feature comparison would be good between Zimbra and Mailcow.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Now Zoho is cheap.
$2/user if you want imap (or active sync).
Used to be, but went up to $3, sadly. NTG was going to move to it, and it went up right as we tried to make the move. So we switched gears because the 50% price hike was a pretty big change to our numbers. We decided that Zimbra made more sense because of that. It tipped the scales for us.
I just did it last month and I swear it was $2.
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@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Now Zoho is cheap.
$2/user if you want imap (or active sync).
Used to be, but went up to $3, sadly. NTG was going to move to it, and it went up right as we tried to make the move. So we switched gears because the 50% price hike was a pretty big change to our numbers. We decided that Zimbra made more sense because of that. It tipped the scales for us.
I just did it last month and I swear it was $2.
Maybe it went down again? Perhaps they got a backlash over the price hike?
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@StuartJordan said in Building a Mail Server:
I like the features you get with Zimbra, like shared mailboxes, calendars etc. A feature comparison would be good between Zimbra and Mailcow.
Not a bad idea.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:
@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
Now Zoho is cheap.
$2/user if you want imap (or active sync).
Used to be, but went up to $3, sadly. NTG was going to move to it, and it went up right as we tried to make the move. So we switched gears because the 50% price hike was a pretty big change to our numbers. We decided that Zimbra made more sense because of that. It tipped the scales for us.
I just did it last month and I swear it was $2.
Maybe it went down again? Perhaps they got a backlash over the price hike?
I never saw it higher.
So no idea what your reference is.
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@JaredBusch We signed up ourselves. the site had always been $2 and when we signed up it had just jumped to $3. We payed it for a month or two.
I wonder if since then they have added a lower mail plan that is cheaper, because their base plan at the time that the price hike happened, included things beyond email much like GSuite, but we didn't want them, we were only getting the most basic offering because all that we wanted was email. We had no way to get less at the time.
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch We signed up ourselves. the site had always been $2 and when we signed up it had just jumped to $3. We payed it for a month or two.
I wonder if since then they have added a lower mail plan that is cheaper, because their base plan at the time that the price hike happened, included things beyond email much like GSuite, but we didn't want them, we were only getting the most basic offering because all that we wanted was email. We had no way to get less at the time.
I remember there being a post about this on ML when it happened
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@scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:
@JaredBusch We signed up ourselves. the site had always been $2 and when we signed up it had just jumped to $3. We payed it for a month or two.
I wonder if since then they have added a lower mail plan that is cheaper, because their base plan at the time that the price hike happened, included things beyond email much like GSuite, but we didn't want them, we were only getting the most basic offering because all that we wanted was email. We had no way to get less at the time.
And pulling head head out of my ass, that cost on my invoice there is $1/user/month.
But I swear I read $2 when I did it.
